Y'all are both guilty of the same thing. This seems to happen a lot between y'all. So don't worry about it, we've all accepted it as just a fact of life. Tec and B_L disagreeing. But yah, wins aren't useless, good pitchers tend to have a lot of them, but just like any other stat, you wouldn't only use that one. You can't tell if 20 win pitcher did better than a 18 win one. You can't tell for sure if a pitcher with a .949 WHIP did better than a pitcher with a .995 WHIP. There's multiple stats to use to tell if a pitcher is better. But better pitchers tend to have more wins, and win milestones are sometimes added in as bonuses in contracts. Think CC Sabathia, not sure if it's him though, gets a bonus for reaching 15 wins. Multiple pitchers have stuff like that in there contracts, so yes, wins do matter