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Betty doesn't use WAR as her be-all-to-end-all baseball stat.

BL wishes a prolonged, and painful, death on anyone who doesn't worship at the Altar of WAR. And the same to anyone who finds any value in pitcher wins.
5/31/2016 11:14 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Hmmm, what question did I dodge?
Add this to the list of questions tec dodges.
5/31/2016 11:34 AM
tecwrg
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Why are you still posting?
5/31/2016 11:43 AM
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Because it's fun. Why do you dodge questions, tectrump?
5/31/2016 12:04 PM
tecwrg
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Which question did I dodge?
5/31/2016 12:21 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Hmmm, what question did I dodge?
This one
5/31/2016 12:21 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 5:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 3:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't think that's actually the case, though. I'd bet, if we were able to poll MLB GMs and ask do you use P W/L in your decision making, the majority would say no.
I'm sorry. When did we start discussing how MLB GM's decision making processes worked?
If the stat is useful, shouldn't MLB teams use it?

Are you going to answer this?
So no, you aren't going to answer this.
This one
5/31/2016 12:22 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2016 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2016 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2016 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/28/2016 11:07:00 PM (view original):
They weren't "pretty much the same." They were exactly the same. Their win/loss added nothing.

I know this might be difficult for you to understand, but that's true for all other pitchers. Once you have things like games started, innings, ERA, WHIP (and maybe some k/bb/hr rates), pitcher win/loss adds nothing of value. And, if you don't have those other pieces of info, win/loss is too inexact to tell you anything useful, other than maybe the most extreme situations. And in those extreme examples, you're still guessing.

Oh, that's fascinating.

So what you're saying is that looking a multiple stats tells you a lot more about a player than looking at one single stat?

I guess that would make anybody who focuses on a single stat, like WAR, look like a ******* idiot. Wouldn't you agree?
Great. So can we put away the pitcher win argument or do you want to continue to argue that the stat is useful?

Using multiple stats is always preferred. WAR is a nice shorthand because it includes offense and defense but I don't have a problem including other stats with it.
Pitchers W/L for starting pitchers is useful at a broad level. Anybody who understands baseball would agree. Baseball is a game for smart people. It's OK that you don't understand it.
Please explain how it is useful.
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5/31/2016 12:22 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Hmmm, what question did I dodge?
This one
Questions you've dodged:

5/28 3:40pm
5/29 10:06pm
5/30 1:45pm
5/30 2:35pm
5/30 5:47pm
5/31/2016 12:28 PM
tecwrg
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2016 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2016 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2016 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/28/2016 11:07:00 PM (view original):
They weren't "pretty much the same." They were exactly the same. Their win/loss added nothing.

I know this might be difficult for you to understand, but that's true for all other pitchers. Once you have things like games started, innings, ERA, WHIP (and maybe some k/bb/hr rates), pitcher win/loss adds nothing of value. And, if you don't have those other pieces of info, win/loss is too inexact to tell you anything useful, other than maybe the most extreme situations. And in those extreme examples, you're still guessing.

Oh, that's fascinating.

So what you're saying is that looking a multiple stats tells you a lot more about a player than looking at one single stat?

I guess that would make anybody who focuses on a single stat, like WAR, look like a ******* idiot. Wouldn't you agree?
Great. So can we put away the pitcher win argument or do you want to continue to argue that the stat is useful?

Using multiple stats is always preferred. WAR is a nice shorthand because it includes offense and defense but I don't have a problem including other stats with it.
Pitchers W/L for starting pitchers is useful at a broad level. Anybody who understands baseball would agree. Baseball is a game for smart people. It's OK that you don't understand it.
Please explain how it is useful.
This one
I already explained, multiple times. The fact that you've dismissed my explanation does not negate that fact that I provided it.
5/31/2016 12:33 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 5:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 3:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't think that's actually the case, though. I'd bet, if we were able to poll MLB GMs and ask do you use P W/L in your decision making, the majority would say no.
I'm sorry. When did we start discussing how MLB GM's decision making processes worked?
If the stat is useful, shouldn't MLB teams use it?

Are you going to answer this?
So no, you aren't going to answer this.
This one
As pointed out, MLB teams have often included incentive clauses for wins for starting pitchers in contracts.
5/31/2016 12:33 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/31/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Hmmm, what question did I dodge?
This one
Questions you've dodged:

5/28 3:40pm
5/29 10:06pm
5/30 1:45pm
5/30 2:35pm
5/30 5:47pm
You can't even quote them for me?

1) I answered 5/28 4:33
2) rhetorical
3) rhetorical
4) I answered 5/30 2:53
5) rhetorical

Just a heads up, if you ask a question like "why are you so stupid," you can't expect anyone to take it seriously.

5/31/2016 12:35 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/31/2016 12:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2016 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/29/2016 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/29/2016 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/28/2016 11:07:00 PM (view original):
They weren't "pretty much the same." They were exactly the same. Their win/loss added nothing.

I know this might be difficult for you to understand, but that's true for all other pitchers. Once you have things like games started, innings, ERA, WHIP (and maybe some k/bb/hr rates), pitcher win/loss adds nothing of value. And, if you don't have those other pieces of info, win/loss is too inexact to tell you anything useful, other than maybe the most extreme situations. And in those extreme examples, you're still guessing.

Oh, that's fascinating.

So what you're saying is that looking a multiple stats tells you a lot more about a player than looking at one single stat?

I guess that would make anybody who focuses on a single stat, like WAR, look like a ******* idiot. Wouldn't you agree?
Great. So can we put away the pitcher win argument or do you want to continue to argue that the stat is useful?

Using multiple stats is always preferred. WAR is a nice shorthand because it includes offense and defense but I don't have a problem including other stats with it.
Pitchers W/L for starting pitchers is useful at a broad level. Anybody who understands baseball would agree. Baseball is a game for smart people. It's OK that you don't understand it.
Please explain how it is useful.
This one
I already explained, multiple times. The fact that you've dismissed my explanation does not negate that fact that I provided it.
Quote one place where you said how pitcher W/L is useful.

Honestly, the only thing I can remember you saying is something like, "you can use it when one pitcher is 21-3 and another is 2-17."
5/31/2016 12:36 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/31/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/31/2016 12:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2016 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Hmmm, what question did I dodge?
This one
Questions you've dodged:

5/28 3:40pm
5/29 10:06pm
5/30 1:45pm
5/30 2:35pm
5/30 5:47pm
You can't even quote them for me?

1) I answered 5/28 4:33
2) rhetorical
3) rhetorical
4) I answered 5/30 2:53
5) rhetorical

Just a heads up, if you ask a question like "why are you so stupid," you can't expect anyone to take it seriously.

1) That was not an answer.
2) Dodged
3) Dodged
4) That was not an answer.
5) Dodged.

"Why are you so stupid" is a legitimate question. Because you come across as pretty stupid quite often in these forums. Were you born stupid, or did you experience some sort of trauma along the way?
5/31/2016 12:40 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2016 10:15:00 AM (view original):
Knowing that a pitcher went 300-200 for a career is useful. One can deduce he was a pretty good pitcher.

Knowing that a pitcher went 155-200 for a career also is useful. Once can deduce he was a pretty mediocre pitcher.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Here's an explanation of how W/L can be useful.

It's also another question that you dodged.
5/31/2016 12:41 PM
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