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Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
6/24/2016 10:48 AM
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OK, I think I got this.

BL says "an out is an out" at the end of the week, month, year, career...

Everyone else says "That's ridiculous, because outs in a particular game can have value."

BL says "well, mike and tec are buttheads"

Everyone else says "Yes, but that's irrelevant"
6/24/2016 10:48 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
You're right, I was wrong. Both innings were exactly the same.
6/24/2016 10:50 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
You're right, I was wrong. Both innings were exactly the same.
Because if you're not going to score runs, you might as well have everybody strike out?
6/24/2016 10:53 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
You're right, I was wrong. Both innings were exactly the same.
Because if you're not going to score runs, you might as well have everybody strike out?
If all three batters in the second inning had grounded out, would that have been better?
6/24/2016 11:00 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
You're right, I was wrong. Both innings were exactly the same.
Because if you're not going to score runs, you might as well have everybody strike out?
This makes sense. Except for his manlove for Edgar and his walking cane.

BL loves the FIP. Because 2 of the 3 outcomes are homer/whiff. A homer is the only way you know you'll score with a hit. So one might as well close his eyes and swing with all his might. Hit it out or miss. Everything else is pointless.

I'm just not sure why BL likes the walk.
6/24/2016 11:02 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
You're right, I was wrong. Both innings were exactly the same.
Because if you're not going to score runs, you might as well have everybody strike out?
If all three batters in the second inning had grounded out, would that have been better?
Yes. It's better to put balls in play than to strikeout.

Everybody except you and dahs understand that.
6/24/2016 11:22 AM
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Hell, it's better to have your lead-off on than not. Those two dumbasses don't even agree with that.
6/24/2016 11:26 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Dumbass.

Didn't you claim yesterday afternoon that an inning that resulted in everybody striking out was better than an inning in which everybody put the ball in play (including the first batter actually getting a hit)?

Yes. Yes, you did indeed claim that.
You're right, I was wrong. Both innings were exactly the same.
Because if you're not going to score runs, you might as well have everybody strike out?
If all three batters in the second inning had grounded out, would that have been better?
Yes. It's better to put balls in play than to strikeout.

Everybody except you and dahs understand that.
Why would it have been better if they grounded out?
6/24/2016 11:29 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Even you are saying that balls in play are better than strikeouts.
6/24/2016 11:47 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 11:47:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/24/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Which is why no one is arguing that a ball in play (before it becomes an out) is the same as a K.
Even you are saying that balls in play are better than strikeouts.
Holy ****.
6/24/2016 11:49 AM
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A ball in play *could* be a hit or an out. It's not a completed play.

An out (strikeout, ground out, etc) is already and only an out. It's complete.
6/24/2016 11:53 AM
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What's better:

A) Your leadoff batter in an inning reaches on a single?

or

B) Your leadoff batter strikes out?
6/24/2016 11:55 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 11:55:00 AM (view original):
What's better:

A) Your leadoff batter in an inning reaches on a single?

or

B) Your leadoff batter strikes out?
Wait, I don't know if I can hang with your expertise here. Are you trying to argue that a single is better than an out?

Mind. Blown.
6/24/2016 12:02 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/24/2016 11:55:00 AM (view original):
What's better:

A) Your leadoff batter in an inning reaches on a single?

or

B) Your leadoff batter strikes out?
Here's your answer:
Quote post by MikeT23 on 6/23/2016 3:40:00 PM:
Posted by dahsdebater on 6/23/2016 3:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2016 3:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 6/23/2016 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2016 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Not really. The vast majority of outs aren't "productive" and even the "productive" ones are just slightly less bad than normal outs. And since you take the good with the bad (guys who make a lot of outs in play do so in all situations), double plays more than wipe away any benefit of "productive" outs.
Which inning is preferable, i.e. had more potential to score runs?

A: single, fly out, GIDP

or

B: strikeout, strikeout, strikeout
I love it when you guys are so stupid that you make BLs point for him and you don't even realize it.

Of course A had more potential to score runs. A guy got on base. But they didn't score any runs, and the inning was just as short, in large part because of the massive negative impact of the GIDP.

All of the Ks in your scenario B occurred with the bases empty. An out in play in any of those PA would have had 0 chance of being "productive." You're illustrating clearly why GIDP are so much more harmful than Ks - most Ks come in scenarios where they are no different from outs in play, and DPs are crushing.
So, in your expert opinion, three whiffs in an inning is no worse than any other inning which goes three up, three down, regardless of what happened?

Yeah, you're a ******* rocket surgeon too.
I mean, the 3 Ks likely cost the pitcher more against his pitch count. In the modern game, that matters a little...

Other than that, I don't see how one three-up/three-down inning is better than the other. One was looking better until the DP massacred it. But it didn't end up better.
This is retarded.

While the result may have been the same, the opportunity was not. EVERYBODY, except BL and now you, will take the better opportunity to score even if scoring doesn't happen.

As I told BL, even his precious WAR counts non-scoring accomplishments.
6/24/2016 12:05 PM
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