Posted by mullycj on 6/20/2016 4:44:00 PM (view original):
3. ACC. Clemson, Duke, FSU, GT, Miami (FL), UNC, NC St., Notre Dame, Virginia, V Tech, Wake Forest.
Comments: Everyone's real here.

11 teams...................

BC. I forgot to include BC.

Posted by cornfused on 6/20/2016 8:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 6/20/2016 4:44:00 PM (view original):
3. ACC. Clemson, Duke, FSU, GT, Miami (FL), UNC, NC St., Notre Dame, Virginia, V Tech, Wake Forest.
Comments: Everyone's real here.

11 teams...................

BC. I forgot to include BC.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Figured it out - USF stays in the American, UCF goes Sun Belt (which I'm using as a Sun Belt/ASun hybrid), and Troy goes to the MEAC. In real life, every HBCU in Div I is in the SWAC or the MEAC, so finding an appropriate fill-in is tough. Troy, in Alabama and with the fifth-largest African-American student population of any university, is probably a better fit for the SWAC, but will fit into the MEAC fine.

Moved USF not because gomiami was complaining, but because he was right. UCF was Sun Belt, ASun, CUSA, and then the American... USF was Sun Belt, CUSA, BEast, and then the American. USF's a doormat, but it's a big-conference doormat.

Posted by cornfused on 6/20/2016 8:55:00 PM (view original):
Figured it out - USF stays in the American, UCF goes Sun Belt (which I'm using as a Sun Belt/ASun hybrid), and Troy goes to the MEAC. In real life, every HBCU in Div I is in the SWAC or the MEAC, so finding an appropriate fill-in is tough. Troy, in Alabama and with the fifth-largest African-American student population of any university, is probably a better fit for the SWAC, but will fit into the MEAC fine.

Moved USF not because gomiami was complaining, but because he was right. UCF was Sun Belt, ASun, CUSA, and then the American... USF was Sun Belt, CUSA, BEast, and then the American. USF's a doormat, but it's a big-conference doormat.

Thank you, Sir. Now if we can convince selbe to tackle realignment, your proposal would be an excellent template.

why not dump Syracuse and Pitt back into the BigEast? They were there for about 20-30 years.

Duquesne and Fordham? Either shove them into the American or if you think the American is more prestigious than the A-10, send them home to the A-10 and move Temple and maybe Rutgers to the American.

Posted by oldwarrior on 6/21/2016 9:58:00 PM (view original):
why not dump Syracuse and Pitt back into the BigEast? They were there for about 20-30 years.

Duquesne and Fordham? Either shove them into the American or if you think the American is more prestigious than the A-10, send them home to the A-10 and move Temple and maybe Rutgers to the American.

Big East, as currently constructed, is very, very Catholic. Syracuse and Pitt were in the big Big East, but there's a reason Creighton is in the BEast now. Butler's the only non-Catholic school in there in real life, so I thought I'd grab more large Catholic schools.

Since any of these ideas are unlikely to be implemented, I'll throw one out there.

Why not just make it EXACTLY like it is today? Yes, this would be you'd have unbalanced conferences but let's discuss what these mean. I think one of the biggest challenges would maybe be the conf tournament and how they match up with timings and dates. I think there is a way to do it though.

But here's the thing, do people really want to have realignment of the conferences? I'm in a conference right now with 5 friends. What if we get split up due to the realignment? Then we'd have to change schools, which is not the end of the world, but we probably won't want to. My 2 cents.

Posted by viva_il_re on 6/20/2016 9:54:00 PM (view original):
i heard seble is really good at listening to forum suggestions

lmfao

Posted by cornfused on 6/22/2016 10:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by oldwarrior on 6/21/2016 9:58:00 PM (view original):
why not dump Syracuse and Pitt back into the BigEast? They were there for about 20-30 years.

Duquesne and Fordham? Either shove them into the American or if you think the American is more prestigious than the A-10, send them home to the A-10 and move Temple and maybe Rutgers to the American.

Big East, as currently constructed, is very, very Catholic. Syracuse and Pitt were in the big Big East, but there's a reason Creighton is in the BEast now. Butler's the only non-Catholic school in there in real life, so I thought I'd grab more large Catholic schools.

Instead of moving Duquesne and Fordham into the Big East I would move Dayton and St Louis. Both are large Catholic schools that are more successful and have much nicer basketball facilities than Duquesne and Fordham.

Posted by mrslam34 on 6/23/2016 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cornfused on 6/22/2016 10:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by oldwarrior on 6/21/2016 9:58:00 PM (view original):
why not dump Syracuse and Pitt back into the BigEast? They were there for about 20-30 years.

Duquesne and Fordham? Either shove them into the American or if you think the American is more prestigious than the A-10, send them home to the A-10 and move Temple and maybe Rutgers to the American.

Big East, as currently constructed, is very, very Catholic. Syracuse and Pitt were in the big Big East, but there's a reason Creighton is in the BEast now. Butler's the only non-Catholic school in there in real life, so I thought I'd grab more large Catholic schools.

Instead of moving Duquesne and Fordham into the Big East I would move Dayton and St Louis. Both are large Catholic schools that are more successful and have much nicer basketball facilities than Duquesne and Fordham.

I like it.

This is what i came up with last year:

In this proposed realignment below:
There would be 29 Div-1 conferences (up from 27 HD conferences currently).
There would be 348 Div-1 teams (up from 324 HD teams currently).
308 teams would be in their correct real life conference.
40 teams would NOT be in their current, real life conference, though many have historic ties to them (Syracuse and Pitt in Big East, Rutgers in A-10, Notre Dame in the Horizon, Seattle in WCC, Maryland in the ACC, etc)... these teams are shown in CAPS.

1 team would be eliminated from HD Div-1 (Morris Brown).
25 new teams would be added to HD Div-1 (this includes St Mary’s (of the WCC), which wasn't included in the original HD, as well as a number of Div-2 schools that moved up to Div-1 in real life (Incarnate Word, Bryant, etc).
So a net gain of 24 schools in Div-1.

NJIT and UMass-Lowell are not accounted for.
There may be other things that have been overlooked.

- - -

1 AMERICAN
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Temple
East Carolina
South Florida
LOUISVILLE [founding AAC school, many rivals, and no room in ACC]

Houston
Memphis
Smu
Central Florida
Tulane
Tulsa

- - -

2 ACC
Duke
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami Fla
MARYLAND [returns to ACC cuz not one of first 12 Big Ten schools]


- - -

3 ATLANTIC SUN
Fla Gulf Coast
Jacksonville
Lipscomb
North Florida
USC Upstate
Stetson

Northern Kentucky
Kennesaw State
NEBRASKA OMAHA [placing Summit teams here by default]
NORTH DAKOTA STATE
SOUTH DAKOTA
SOUTH DAKOTA STATE

- - -


4 - A-10
Rhode Island
Massachusetts
St Bonaventure
St Joseph’s
La Salle
RUTGERS [no success in post A-10 years, plus no room in Big Ten]

Vcu
Dayton
Saint Louis
George Washington
Richmond
Davidson

- - -


5 BIG EAST
Providence
St John’s
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
SYRACUSE [no room in ACC, plus forever linked to Big East]

Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Butler
Xavier
PITTSBURGH [no room in ACC, plus 30 years in Big East]


- - -


6 BIG SKY
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Idaho
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State

North Dakota
Northern Colorado
Northern Arizona
Weber State
Southern Utah
Sacramento State


- - -

7 BIG SOUTH
UNC Asheville
Gardner Webb
High Point
Longwood
Liberty
Radford

Charleston Southern
Coastal Carolina
Presbyterian
Winthrop
Campbell
SAVANNAH STATE [best fit geographically]


- - -

8 BIG TEN
Minnesota
Nebraska
Iowa
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Illinois

Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State

- - -


9 - BIG 12
Iowa State
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State

Texas
Texas Tech
Texas Christian
Baylor
TEXAS A&M [home prior to SEC move]
MISSOURI [home prior to SEC move]

- - -


10 BIG WEST
UC Santa Barbara
Long Beach State
CS Northridge
CS Fullerton
UC Riverside
UC Irvine

Hawaii
UC Davis
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
CS BAKERSFIELD [from D-2, best fit]
GRAND CANYON [from D-2, best fit]
UTAH VALLEY [best fit... from WAC?... i forgot...]

- - -

11 COLONIAL
Northeastern
Hofstra
Towson
Delaware
Drexel
GEORGE MASON [home prior to A-10 move]

Elon
College of Charleston
William and Mary
Unc Wilmington
James Madison
OLD DOMINION [home prior to C-USA move]

- - -


12 C-USA
Marshall
UAB
Western Kentucky
Charlotte
Fla Atlantic
Fla International

Lousiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Utep
Rice
Southern Miss

- - -

13 HORIZON
Cleveland State
Wright State
Youngstown State
Oakland
IP FORT WAYNE [geographic fit from Summit]
IUPUI [geographic fit from Summit]

Milwaukee
Green Bay
Valpo
Detroit Mercy
Illinois Chicago
NOTRE DAME [home for minor sports prior to Big East move, no room in ACC]

- - -


14 IVY LEAGUE
Brown
Dartmouth
Harvard
Yale
MAINE [geographic fit, makes all New England division]
NEW HAMPSHIRE [geographic fit]

Penn
Princeton
Columbia
Cornell
VERMONT [geographic fit, good school]
BINGHAMTON [geographic fit]


- - -

15 METRO ATLANTIC
Quinnipiac
Fairfield
Canisius
Siena
Niagara
ALBANY [geographic fit, now has Siena rivalry, plus already in HD MAAC]

St Peter’s
Iona
Manhattan
Monmouth
Rider
Marist


- - -

16 MAC
Buffalo
Akron
Ohio U
Miami Ohio
Kent State
Toledo

Bowling Green
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois
Ball State

- - -


17 MEAC
Howard
Md Eastern Shore
Coppin State
Norfolk State
Delaware State
Morgan State

NC Central
Hampton
Florida A&M
So Carolina State
NC A&T
Bethune Cookman


- - -


18 MISSOURI VALLEY
Wichita State
Missouri State
Drake
Northern Iowa
UM-KANSAS CITY [geographic fit]
ORAL ROBERTS [semi-geographic fit]

Indiana State
Southern Illinois
Bradley
Evansville
Loyola Chicago
CHICAGO STATE [geographic fit, from WAC, Loyola rivalry]


- - -


19 MOUNTAIN WEST
Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming
Boise State
New Mexico
NEW MEXICO STATE [geographic fit, rivalry with Lobos, from WAC]

San Diego State
Fresno State
Unlv
San Jose State
Nevada
Utah State


- - -

20 NORTHEAST
Bryant
Central Conn State
Sacred Heart
Liu Brooklyn
HARTFORD [geographic fit, from America East]
STONY BROOK [geographic fit, from Am-East, current HD home]

St Francis NY
St Francis PA
Fairleigh Dickinson
Mt St Mary’s
Wagner
Robert Morris

- - -


21 OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Tenn Martin
Tenn State
Tenn Tech
Jacksonville State
SE Missouri State

Belmont
Eastern Kentucky
Morehead State
Murray State
Eastern Illinois
Siu Edwardsville


- - -


22 PAC-12
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford

Ucla
Southern Cal
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

- - -


23 PATRIOT
American
Loyola Md
Navy
Army
Lafayette
Lehigh

Holy Cross
Boston U
Colgate
Bucknell
DUQUESNE [low success in A-10, adds 4th Penn team to Patriot]
FORDHAM [home prior to A-10 move, had rivalry with Holy Cross]

- - -


24 SEC
Kentucky
Arkansas
Tennessee
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Lsu

Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Auburn
Alabama
Vanderbilt

- - -

25 SOUTHERN
Chattanooga
The Citadel
Furman
Unc Greensboro
Western Carolina
NEW ORLEANS [semi-geographic fit]

Wofford
Samford
Vmi
Mercer
East Tenn State
UMBC [semi-geographic fit]

- - -

26 SOUTHLAND
Abilene Christian
Central Arkansas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Lamar
McNeese State

Texas a&m Corpus Christi
Nicholls State
Northwestern State
Sam Houston State
Southeastern La
Stephen F Austin

- - -

27 SWAC
Southern
Alabama State
Alabama A&M
Grambling State
Alcorn State
WESTERN ILLINOIS [geographically odd but what the heck...]

Texas Southern
Ark Pine Bluff
Prairie View
Mississippi Valley State
Jackson State
UT-PAN AMERICAN [geographic fit]

- - -

28 SUNBELT
Texas State
Ut Arlington
UL Lafayette
UL Monroe
South Alabama
UT SAN ANTONIO [geographic fit, but possibly swap with West Illinois above?]

Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Appalachian State
UA Little Rock
Arkansas State

- - -

29 WEST COAST
St Mary’s
Santa Clara
San Francisco
Pacific
Loyola Marymount
Pepperdine

Brigham Young
San Diego
Gonzaga
Portland
DENVER [geographic fit and similar size]
SEATTLE [geographic fit and former WCC member?... calling Elgin Baylor?]
.

Also, i've put together a revised Division-2 realignment, which would have 24 conferences (instead of our current 23) of 12 teams each.

Also, i've put together a revised Division-3 realignment, which would have 36 conference of 9 teams each... so one division of 9 teams, 16 game in-conference regular season for Div-3.

Division 3 conferences in real life tend to be smaller, with most at 10 or fewer teams.

Anyway, at some point i'll post my new Div-2 and Div-3, but they're on my old computer which i haven't fired up in a while, plus I'm going to be out of town.

interesting discussion, reprising prior discussions over the years

any move away from 12 team conferences would be a huge change - lots of rewriting stuff

if there were responsiveness, which over a period of years has not been present, this proposal would be pretty darn good approach - modest degree of movement, good update

the transition would be a big issue - lots of coaches would gripe about moves

no way this happens at any foreseeable time

Posted by mamxet on 6/25/2016 2:58:00 AM (view original):
interesting discussion, reprising prior discussions over the years

any move away from 12 team conferences would be a huge change - lots of rewriting stuff

if there were responsiveness, which over a period of years has not been present, this proposal would be pretty darn good approach - modest degree of movement, good update

the transition would be a big issue - lots of coaches would gripe about moves

no way this happens at any foreseeable time

yep, and this was exactly my point about just swapping a half dozen teams here and there to get the major conferences more correct. these realignment ideas are fantastic--i just prefer to noodle seble for something on a scale he might be able to accomplish in the short term.