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6/25/2016 11:29 AM
Didn't make it through the 5th, right?
6/25/2016 11:37 AM

Rule 10.17(c) states:

The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.

Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.

Good question. Perhaps the official scorer sees it as Tietje pitched well enough while the game was still relatively close, or that Grove did not contribute enough, or late enough into the game.

6/25/2016 11:50 AM (edited)
Other than getting 6 outs vs. Grove's 5, Tietje (the winning pitcher) was not more effective than Grove.

Maybe ozomatli has a point about Grove not reaching the 5th inning -- perhaps the SIM is set up to disqualify a reliever from earning the W if he pitches before the 5th?
6/25/2016 2:42 PM
You have to pitch past the 5th inning to get the win, dingleberry. Do you really think relief pitchers should get special treatment, or are you just showing off your batter that hit three triples in one game? Honestly, that many triples in one game is just rude.
6/25/2016 3:00 PM
Guess I am a dingleberry. I always thought the 5 inning rule applied only to the starting pitcher.
6/25/2016 3:24 PM
It does.
6/25/2016 4:02 PM
http://sabr.org/research/origin-modern-pitching-win
6/25/2016 4:20 PM
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Looks like the "5 inning rule" doesn't apply to relievers, at least at WIS:

https://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=26689647&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95

Reliever Grove got the win in this one despite not lasting until the end of the 5th.

No idea why Grove would get the win in this game, and not in the game linked in the first post.
6/25/2016 9:18 PM
Posted by crazystengel on 6/25/2016 9:20:00 PM (view original):
Looks like the "5 inning rule" doesn't apply to relievers, at least at WIS:

https://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=26689647&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95

Reliever Grove got the win in this one despite not lasting until the end of the 5th.

No idea why Grove would get the win in this game, and not in the game linked in the first post.
Grove got the win in this game because he was the pitcher of record *when his team went ahead*

In the first game Grove came in with his team already ahead. In cases like that it is up to the official scorer which pitcher gets the win, since the starter did not go 5 innings.
6/25/2016 11:37 PM (edited)
Exactly.

I assume that WIS does not have any sophisticated programming logic for determining "most effective reliever" in the situations where that clause applies. I expect they just grant the W to whomever is pitching in the 5th inning in that case.
6/26/2016 12:16 AM
Grove should have gotten the win. Sounds like a bug in the program. If the starting pitcher doesn't last 5 IPs, and the team has the lead it never relinquishes, the first relief pitcher in almost always gets the win unless he was absolutely terrible.
6/26/2016 11:06 AM
Wait, in real life, wins can arbitrarily be awarded at the official scorer's determination? That's crazy! We really should just get rid of wins entirely, though. Doesn't make much sense as a stat in my opinion
6/26/2016 11:45 AM
Got a response from Admin on this:

The decision is actually at the discretion of the Official Scorer in MLB. Since this would be impossible to do within the Sim, our process on how the Winning pitcher is determined is as follows:

A starter must go 5 innings to be credited with a Win. If the team has a lead and the starter does not make it 5 innings, the relief pitcher that is pitching at the end of the 5th inning will get the win. A relief pitcher will also earn a win if they are pitching when the team takes the lead that is not relinquished.

7/1/2016 1:42 AM
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