Posted by kyleb63 on 7/28/2016 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Got_Worms on 7/28/2016 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Most similar batters to Vladimir Guerrero

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1. Miguel Cabrera (887)
2. Jeff Bagwell (860)
3. Larry Walker (860)
4. Jim Rice (849) *
5. Willie Stargell (840) *
6. Billy Williams (840) *
7. Todd Helton (835)
8. Duke Snider (822) *
9. Andres Galarraga (819)
10. Carlos Beltran (817)

My argument is the same. No Larry Walker, no Vladdy.

Are you partial to Expos OF's? How do you feel about Tim Raines? No Dawson without Raines???

My roster for:

Deal from the bottom of the deck

Home stadium: Jarry Park

C - Gabby Hartnett
1B - Jimmy Foxx
2B - Eddie Stanky
3B - Al Rosen
SS - Vern Stephens
OF - Joe Medwick
OF - Vladimir Guerrero
OF - Jimmy Wynn
DH - Jeff Bagwell
C - Todd Pratt
OF - Brian Giles
OF - Fred Sington
SP - Steve Carlton
SP - Gaylord Perry
SP - John Tudor
SP - Spud Chandler
SP - Frank Owen
RP - Wade Davis
RP - Bill George
RP - Louis Coleman
RP - Joe Hoerner
Closer - Trevor Hoffman

Posted by Got_Worms on 7/28/2016 4:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kyleb63 on 7/28/2016 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Got_Worms on 7/28/2016 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Most similar batters to Vladimir Guerrero

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1. Miguel Cabrera (887)
2. Jeff Bagwell (860)
3. Larry Walker (860)
4. Jim Rice (849) *
5. Willie Stargell (840) *
6. Billy Williams (840) *
7. Todd Helton (835)
8. Duke Snider (822) *
9. Andres Galarraga (819)
10. Carlos Beltran (817)

My argument is the same. No Larry Walker, no Vladdy.

Are you partial to Expos OF's? How do you feel about Tim Raines? No Dawson without Raines???

Here's a list of OFs that aren't in the Hall, ranked by WAR. This tells me he doesn't belong.

Larry Walker (17) 72.6
Carlos Beltran (19, 39) 70.2
Manny Ramirez (19) 69.2
Tim Raines (23) 69.1
Kenny Lofton (17) 68.2
Dwight Evans (20) 66.9
Reggie Smith (17) 64.5
Andruw Jones (17) 62.8
Jim Edmonds (17) 60.3
Gary Sheffield (22) 60.3
Bobby Abreu (18) 59.9
Ichiro Suzuki (16, 42) 59.8
Vladimir Guerrero (16) 59.3

I certainly think Raines belongs and I think he might sneak in before he drops. The WAR numbers are compelling and that is mainly because of defense. Vlad was an above average defender with a cannon of an arm until about 2001, after running on the horrible surface at Olympic Stadium for five years he just became gimpy. That's when the stolen bases fell off and his outfield play was less than be desired. If you look at the HOF standards number on Baseball Reference both Walker and Vlad are 58 which is above the standard average of 50...maybe they both go, I hope so but raw numbers just tell me Larry didn't quite do enough.

Raines should get in next year on his final try.

Votes	Player	Percentage
315	Jeff Bagwell	71.6%
307	Tim Raines	69.8%
296	Trevor Hoffman	67.3%
230	Curt Schilling	52.3%
199	Roger Clemens	45.2%
195	Barry Bonds	44.3%
191	Edgar Martinez	43.4%
189	Mike Mussina	43.0%
150	Lee Smith	34.1%
92	Fred McGriff	20.9%
73	Jeff Kent	16.6%
68	Larry Walker	15.5%
51	Gary Sheffield	11.6%
46	Billy Wagner	10.5%
31	Sammy Sosa	7.0%

C - Roy Campanella
1b- Hank Greenberg
2b- Charlie Gehringer
ss- Honus Wagner
3b- Josh Donaldson
OF - Babe Herman, Fred Lynn, Earl Averil
SP - Ed Seward, Joe Wood, Don Drysdale
RP - B.J. Ryan, Ontiveros, Bonham, and Cormier.

Final Roster

Name (Bats)	Pos	Order	%	PA/162	AB/162	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	$
Eddie Stanky '50 (R)	2B*	1	100	727	555	8	51	9	.300	.460	.412	6.95M
Brian Giles '02 (L)	CF*	2	100	648	500	38	103	15	.298	.450	.622	6.44M
Jeff Bagwell '94 (R)	DH	3	100	675	564	39	116	15	.368	.451	.750	11.10M
Jimmie Foxx '32 (R)	1B*	4	100	738	616	58	169	3	.364	.469	.749	14.05M
Al Rosen '53 (R)	3B*	5	100	724	631	43	145	8	.336	.422	.613	10.83M
Joe Medwick '37 (R)	LF*	6	100	713	666	31	154	4	.374	.414	.641	9.70M
Vladimir Guerrero '00 (R)	RF*	7	100	641	571	44	123	9	.345	.410	.664	7.03M
Vern Stephens '49 (R)	SS*	8	100	748	642	39	159	2	.290	.391	.539	6.88M
Gabby Hartnett '30 (R)	C *	9	100	609	535	37	122	0	.339	.404	.630	6.54M
BENCH
Name (Bats)	Pos	Order	%	PA/162	AB/162	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	$
Jeff Frye '97 (R)	2B*	Bench	100	442	404	3	51	19	.312	.352	.433	4.76M
Todd Pratt '02 (R)	C *	Bench	100	137	107	3	16	2	.311	.449	.500	1.40M
Kevin Seitzer '96 (R)	3B^	Bench	100	99	84	1	16	0	.386	.480	.542	1.01M
Fred Sington '38 (R)	LF*	Bench	100	74	58	2	5	1	.358	.493	.623	1.02M
Jim Wynn '69 (R)	RF*	Bench	100	653	495	33	87	23	.269	.436	.507	6.56M

Here is my completed roster, playing in Pac Bell Park (-3 for HRs). We're hoping our high AVG & OBP can generate runs while our ultra-low WHIP pitchers will prevent runs...
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Pos___	Batter________________	Bats___	PA____	AVG___	OBP___	SLG___	Fielding___	Salary________
C	1889 Fred Carroll	R	509	0.330	0.486	0.484	C-/C+/C-	$5,615,132
1B	1886 Cap Anson	R	731	0.371	0.433	0.544	D/B	$8,176,538
2B	1924 Frankie Frisch	S	715	0.328	0.387	0.468	B-/A+	$7,953,511
3B	1899 John McGraw	L	590	0.391	0.547	0.446	B/C-	$9,490,753
SS	1999 Derek Jeter	R	739	0.349	0.438	0.552	A-/D	$7,698,677
OF	1911 Ty Cobb	L	688	0.420	0.467	0.621	C/A+	$14,928,436
OF	1914 Benny Kauff	L	707	0.370	0.447	0.534	C-/B+	$8,536,135
OF	1971 Bobby Murcer	L	624	0.331	0.427	0.543	B/B+	$7,543,107
DH	1900 Elmer Flick	L	732	0.367	0.441	0.545	D/D+	$7,090,282
	Lineup Total		6035	0.362	0.449	0.531	C+/B-	$77,032,571
3B	1949 George Kell	R	644	0.343	0.424	0.467	A/B+	$6,947,236
C	1973 Ted Simmons	S	690	0.310	0.370	0.438	B-/A/A+	$6,946,529
OF	1986 Tim Raines	S	669	0.334	0.413	0.476	C+/C-	$6,745,371
C	1903 Duke Farrell	S	73	0.404	0.466	0.538	C/B	$1,743,459
	Overall Total		8111	0.354	0.437	0.512	C+/B-	$99,415,166
Role	Pitcher	Throws	IP____	ERA___	OAV___	WHIP___	HR/9___	Salary________
SP	1968 Bob Gibson	R	305	1.12	0.184	0.85	0.32	$13,732,391
SP	2015 Zack Greinke	R	223	1.66	0.187	0.84	0.57	$10,144,881
SP	1968 Luis Tiant	R	260	1.60	0.168	0.87	0.56	$10,656,549
SP	1996 Kevin Brown	R	233	1.89	0.220	0.94	0.31	$9,030,051
SP	2010 Cliff Lee	L	104	2.34	0.231	0.95	0.43	$3,779,328
	Starting PItching		1,124	1.61	0.193	0.88	0.43	$47,343,200
RP	1950 Jim Hearn	R	132	1.94	0.169	0.88	0.58	$5,436,812
RP	1981 Rollie Fingers	R	116	1.04	0.198	0.87	0.35	$4,795,835
RP	2011 Doug Fister	R	70	1.79	0.206	0.84	0.51	$2,820,832
RP	1990 Zane Smith	L	76	1.30	0.203	0.84	0.47	$2,928,090
RP	1999 Jeff Zimmerman	R	88	2.36	0.166	0.83	0.92	$3,996,957
RP	1993 Bryan Harvey	R	69	1.70	0.186	0.84	0.52	$3,031,496
RP	1991 Todd Frohwirth	R	97	1.87	0.190	0.97	0.19	$4,142,725
	Relief Pitching		648	1.75	0.186	0.87	0.51	$27,152,737
	Total		1,773	1.66	0.191	0.88	0.46	$74,495,947

I will typically start Raines at home and/or against catchers with poor throwing arms. Murcer will start in hitters parks and/or against non-deadball pitchers. Simmons (and his A+ arm) will spot start against teams with good speed. Kell will start against LHP and be my defensive replacement at 3B. We'll save Duke Farrell for key games vs. divisional opponents late in the season.

Nice spreadsheet, schwarze. Think I'll borrow it. We are in Dodger Stadium. Was hoping to get more speed than I ended up getting but hopefully we'll be good enough overall to win games.

Pos___	Batter________________	Bats___	PA____	AVG___	OBP___	SLG___	Fielding___	Salary________
C	1912 Chief Meyers	R	467	0.358	0.441	0.477	C/B	$4,709,191
1B	1977 Rod Carew	L	699	0.388	0.449	0.570	B+/A-	$10,214,579
2B	1975 Joe Morgan	L	639	0.327	0.466	0.508	A-/A-	$9,546,329
3B	1912 Heinie Zimmerman	R	669	0.372	0.418	0.571	D+/B	$7,120,384
SS	1896 Hughie Jennings	R	756	0.401	0.472	0.488	C/A+	$10,986,889
OF	1957 Mickey Mantle	S	656	0.365	0.512	0.665	C+/A-	$12,351,361
OF	1994 Tony Gwynn	L	658	0.394	0.454	0.568	B/D+	$8,237,595
OF	1906 George Stone	L	716	0.358	0.417	0.501	C/A-	$8,355,512
DH	1919 Gavvy Cravath	R	302	0.341	0.438	0.640	D/D-	$3,650,684
DH	1944 Dick Wakefield	L	350	0.355	0.464	0.576	D+/D+	$3,957,611
C	1916 Lew McCarty	R	266	0.339	0.405	0.427	B+/B	$3,162,299
Lineup Total			6178	0.367	0.452	0.545	C+/B	$82,292,434
PH	1962 Walt Bond	L	54	0.38	0.426	0.800	C/B-	$1,539,155
Overall Total			6232	0.367	0.451	0.548	C+/B	$83,831,589
Role	Pitcher	Throws	IP____	ERA___	OAV___	WHIP___	HR/9___	Salary________
SP	1886 Charlie Ferguson	R	563	1.98	0.211	0.98	0.25	$20,621,702
SP	1906 Doc White	L	236	1.52	0.207	0.90	0.08	$8,420,184
SP	1906 Jack Pfiester	L	268	1.51	0.194	0.94	0.11	$9,193,677
Starting PItching			1,067	1.73	0.205	0.95	0.17	$38,235,563
RP	1908 Elmer Steele	R	125	1.83	0.209	0.83	0.08	$4,261,011
RP	1944 Joe Berry	R	118	1.94	0.192	0.91	0.32	$4,452,265
RP	1918 Roy Mitchell	R	48	0.74	0.208	0.88	0.00	$1,636,648
RP	1915 Tim McCabe	R	44	1.30	0.177	0.82	0.22	$1,646,967
RP	1915 George Dumont	R	43	2.03	0.169	0.88	0.00	$1,695,789
RP	1967 Cisco Carlos	R	42	0.86	0.161	0.77	0.00	$2,274,928
RP	2015 Jeff Manship	R	39	0.92	0.155	0.76	0.23	$1,918,004
RP	2015 Rich Hill	L	29	1.55	0.141	0.66	0.62	$1,450,131
RP	1987 Jack McDowell	R	28	1.93	0.168	0.79	0.32	$1,261,642
RP	1960 Marshall Bridges	L	26	1.07	0.161	0.83	0.36	$1,115,033
Relief Pitching			541	1.55	0.183	0.83	0.19	$21,712,418
Total			1,608	1.66	0.197	0.90	0.18	$59,947,981

Because I didn't take any deadball pitching, I expect my HR/9 to be higher than most teams. But my overall WHIP should be lower. Hopefully, my park will supress those pesky HR's.

Selected Jarry Park for my home stadium. Obviously hoping to cash in on the longball!

Jarry Park (HR LF/RF:2/2 1B:2 2B:-1 3B:0)

pos	name	avg	obp	slg	hr	fldg
c	'03 lopez	.328	.378	.687	49	b+/a+b-
1b	'27 gehrig	.373	.474	.765	47	b/a+
2b	'97 biggio	.309	.415	.501	22	b-/a+
3b	'04 rolen	.314	.409	.598	34	a/a++
ss	'48 boudreau	.355	.453	.534	18	a-/a
of	'29 simmons	.365	.398	.642	34	a/a-
of	'15 trout	.299	.402	.590	41	a+/a++
of	'97 griffey	.304	.382	.646	56	b/a
dh	'96 burkett	.410	.461	.541	6	who cares
c	'26 bengough	.381	.435	.452	0	c/d+/a+
c	'99 kendall	.332	.428	.511	8	c+/a+/a+
inf	'53 dark	.300	.335	.488	23	a/b
inf	'99 grebeck	.363	.443	.425	0	c/d
inf	'87 molitor	.353	.438	.566	16	c/d
		ip	oavg	whio	hr/9	ip/g
p	'85 morris	848	.208	.096	.08	9.2
p	'97 clemens	264	.213	1.03	.31	7.7
p	'24 vance	325	.213	1.02	.32	8.8
p	'02 lowe	220	.211	0.98	.49	6.7
p	'99 foulke	106	.188	0.89	.94	1.5
p	'02 dotel	98	.173	0.88	.65	1.1
p	'92 beck	92	.190	0.84	.39	1.4
p	'10 hudson	79	.189	0.84	.79	7.2
p	'59 harshman	70	.179	0.89	.82	5

of '45 keller .301/.412/.577 10 A+/A
p '95 Percival 83 .147/0.85/0.73/1.1

Ton of IP, Ton of PA, which we need in Coors. Went nuts last year in Mile High, hoping to up that this year. By up, I mean HR's. A lot more pure power than in seasons past. Went away from the 2b's and 3b's strategy of the past.....Not getting Hugh Duffy in the 1st round, for the first time, will do that to a man. Also ignored last season's MVP Dan Brothers, who has a **** ton of records due to last seasons shienanagans.

Ed Morris gladly brings his 900+ ip arm back to coors. Went with two more modern pitchers in a 3 man rotation this time, to see if I can reduce our errors, due to the all deadball staff of last season.

Added a bunch of quality fielding as well this year, as Ken Griffey, might be our "worst" fielder out of the regulars.
Javy Lopez doesnt count here, as he'll sit against the running teams.

Bring your bat's and pitchers boys your gonna need them.

Actually am predicting a bit of a drop, from the last two seasons, more in the 85 win range, but we shall see. Been consistent, if nothing else