BTW, I can find dozens of articles that refute BL's claim that you can get bigger/stronger while on 'roids but not working out. Almost all of them say you retain water and that's why you look "bigger". But, again, if your testosterone is low, 'roids could bump it up to normal/above normal levels and your average day to day life is still breaking down muscle. Steroids would help rebuild that torn muscle and meager gains could be seen.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2016 8:46:00 AM (view original):
LOL. Another article at the bottom of BL's "Steroids make you stronger even if you don't work out" claim.

http://www.startersteps.caitlinburke.com/2014/10/12/caffeine-and-performance/


Seems the folks that write these articles believe caffeine allows you to train harder and longer.

Why is that "LOL?"

Caffeine is great for lifting.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2016 8:58:00 AM (view original):
BTW, I can find dozens of articles that refute BL's claim that you can get bigger/stronger while on 'roids but not working out. Almost all of them say you retain water and that's why you look "bigger". But, again, if your testosterone is low, 'roids could bump it up to normal/above normal levels and your average day to day life is still breaking down muscle. Steroids would help rebuild that torn muscle and meager gains could be seen.

You could, but you won't. #broscience

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/26/2016 11:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nockahoma on 7/26/2016 10:22:00 PM (view original):
Funny how some think McGwire is a HOFer, regardless.

Wrong venue, dude. I think there's maybe 1 other person who's posted in this thread who doesn't think McGwire is a HOFer. And maybe he does too. But I know I think he is, I know Mike thinks he is, I know JTP thinks he is, and I know bl thinks he is.

opinions of guys who got baited into an 8 page thread......OK, dude

I don't think McGwire is a HOF-material. But I'm a Small Hall guy. I get why some others do.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/27/2016 9:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2016 8:46:00 AM (view original):
LOL. Another article at the bottom of BL's "Steroids make you stronger even if you don't work out" claim.

http://www.startersteps.caitlinburke.com/2014/10/12/caffeine-and-performance/


Seems the folks that write these articles believe caffeine allows you to train harder and longer.

Why is that "LOL?"

Caffeine is great for lifting.

" Caffeine is great for lifting."

BL knows this. Because he knows lifting right?

If caffeine is great for lifting, I guess it's a Performance Enhancing Drug or PED for short.

So I guess all inductions were All PED inductions.

Posted by sjpoker on 7/27/2016 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/27/2016 9:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2016 8:46:00 AM (view original):
LOL. Another article at the bottom of BL's "Steroids make you stronger even if you don't work out" claim.

http://www.startersteps.caitlinburke.com/2014/10/12/caffeine-and-performance/


Seems the folks that write these articles believe caffeine allows you to train harder and longer.

Why is that "LOL?"

Caffeine is great for lifting.

" Caffeine is great for lifting."

BL knows this. Because he knows lifting right?

Do you disagree or are you just being a moron?

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/27/2016 11:46:00 AM (view original):
If caffeine is great for lifting, I guess it's a Performance Enhancing Drug or PED for short.

So I guess all inductions were All PED inductions.

Pretty sure everyone (other than you) makes a distinction between an illegal PED (amphetamines, steroids) and a legal PED (caffeine, creatine).

Posted by nockahoma on 7/27/2016 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/26/2016 11:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nockahoma on 7/26/2016 10:22:00 PM (view original):
Funny how some think McGwire is a HOFer, regardless.

Wrong venue, dude. I think there's maybe 1 other person who's posted in this thread who doesn't think McGwire is a HOFer. And maybe he does too. But I know I think he is, I know Mike thinks he is, I know JTP thinks he is, and I know bl thinks he is.

opinions of guys who got baited into an 8 page thread......OK, dude

I'm still one of those "magic numbers" guys. If everyone who got 300 wins, 3,000 Ks, 3,000 hits or 500 homers is in the Hall (aside from recent PED users), it stands to reason that if you hit one of those benchmarks, you should be in. Seems unfair to say "Well, in the past we've used 500 homers as a HOF standard, but as more guys have joined the club, we just aren't that impressed anymore. We're going to stop considering it a benchmark and we'll start with you, Mark."

If every eligible player who ever hit 500 home runs is in the Hall, that pretty much tells you it's a HOF-worthy number by those standards.

Posted by Jtpsops on 7/27/2016 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nockahoma on 7/27/2016 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/26/2016 11:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nockahoma on 7/26/2016 10:22:00 PM (view original):
Funny how some think McGwire is a HOFer, regardless.

Wrong venue, dude. I think there's maybe 1 other person who's posted in this thread who doesn't think McGwire is a HOFer. And maybe he does too. But I know I think he is, I know Mike thinks he is, I know JTP thinks he is, and I know bl thinks he is.

opinions of guys who got baited into an 8 page thread......OK, dude

I'm still one of those "magic numbers" guys. If everyone who got 300 wins, 3,000 Ks, 3,000 hits or 500 homers is in the Hall (aside from recent PED users), it stands to reason that if you hit one of those benchmarks, you should be in. Seems unfair to say "Well, in the past we've used 500 homers as a HOF standard, but as more guys have joined the club, we just aren't that impressed anymore. We're going to stop considering it a benchmark and we'll start with you, Mark."

If every eligible player who ever hit 500 home runs is in the Hall, that pretty much tells you it's a HOF-worthy number by those standards.

**** you, Fred McGriff.

At one time, it was 400. Then "they" said "Sorry, Mr.Kingman, that isn't good enough."

I have no problem with a wing in the HOF for guys that met certain career/season standards. But they shouldn't be part of the REAL part where the greatest ballplayers are celebrated (Mays, Ruth, Musial, etc.). Some guys just met some arbitrary round number, and deserve some recognition, but aren't truly great ballplayers (McGwire, Sosa, etc.).

Posted by toddcommish on 7/27/2016 12:38:00 PM (view original):
I have no problem with a wing in the HOF for guys that met certain career/season standards. But they shouldn't be part of the REAL part where the greatest ballplayers are celebrated (Mays, Ruth, Musial, etc.). Some guys just met some arbitrary round number, and deserve some recognition, but aren't truly great ballplayers (McGwire, Sosa, etc.).

I mean, come on, McGwire was most certainly a truly great player. 583 HR, 163 OPS+. He was as good as Frank Thomas and he didn't get to DH 60% of his career.

If you want to argue 500 shouldn't be a benchmark, that's fine, but everyone who hit that mark is in (except Bonds and Palmeiro. Thome will be in when he's eligible).

Not to mention, I would argue that McGwire redefined power in a way that maybe only Ruth has surpassed. His homers were "bigger than the game" for a few years.