$52 Million LV Draft Commentary Topic

Rodman at # 13 seems to be a good value. I've never drafted him before and I don't think that he has ever been in a championship team in this league. It's quite a challenge.
8/15/2016 1:01 AM
jhsukow - Wilt Chamberlain -- Kevin McHale -- Amare Stoudamire -- Don Buse -- Joe Dumars -- Kemba Walker -- Ersan Ilyasova
pennsylvania - LeBron James -- Walt Frazier -- Bobby Jones -- Alvin Robertson -- Paul Pressey -- Walt Bellamy - Greg Oden
jkaye24 - Stephen Curry -- Hassan Whiteside -- Tom Boerwinkle -- Terrell Brandon -- Dirk Nowitzki -- Fat Lever -- Hot Rod Williams
beachhouse - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- Terry Porter -- Anthony Davis -- Charlie Ward -- Serge Ibaka - Kyle Korver - Cornbread!
samuelyork93 - Michael Jordan -- Andre Drummond - James Harden -- Charles Oakley -- Nicolas Batum -- Toni Kukoc -- Oliver Miller
amerk1180 - Moses Malone -- Manu Ginobili -- Mookie Blaylock -- Carlos Boozer -- Clifford Ray -- Tony Parker -- Eddie Jones
ysw128 - Dwight Howard -- Kevin Love -- Rudy Gobert -- Jason Terry -- Mike Conley -- Lamar Odom - Ty Lawson
cjok1051 - Shaquille O'Neal -- Marcus Camby -- Andrei Kirilenko -- Dana Barros -- Kyrie Irving -- Samuel Dalembert -- Vince Carter
longtallbrad - David Robinson -- Elton Brand -- Gary Payton -- Mel Daniels -- Doug Christie -- Jordan Farmar -- Cole Aldrich
milest - Chris Paul -- Klay Thompson -- Willis Reed -- Anthony Mason -- Robert Parish -- Roy Tarpley -- Cory Alexander
dh555 - Karl Malone -- Donyell Marshall -- Clyde Drexler -- Derek Harper -- Buck Williams -- Blake Griffin -- Nate McMillan
jcred5 - Larry Bird -- Bill Russell -- Dikembe Mutombo -- Brent Barry -- Kirk Hinrich -- Kenneth Faried -- Brandon Rush
vancem - Dennis Rodman -- Julius Erving -- Pat Ewing -- Jose Calderon -- Karl Anthony Towns -- Jameer Nelson --Jonas Valanciunas
thomcat - Charles Barkley -- Hakeem Olajuwon -- Jerry West -- Mark Price -- Terry Tyler -- David Lee -- JJ Reddick
eleibowitz - Dwyane Wade -- Bill Walton -- Shawn Kemp -- Andre Iguodala -- Andrew Bogut -- Robert Horry -- Eric Bledsoe
uptowngbv - Kevin Durant -- Steve Nash -- Deron Williams -- Tree Rollins -- George Hill -- Spencer Heywood -- Dan Gadzuric
hoopsdude - Artis Gilmore -- Oscar Robertson -- Pau Gasol -- Kevin Johnson -- Cedric Ceballos -- Paul Pierce -- Chris Bosh
jt7king - Tim Duncan -- Chauncey Billups -- Alonzo Mourning -- Danny Green -- Larry Sanders! -- Charlie Edge -- Enes Kanter
mikee1 - Jason Kidd -- Scottie Pippen -- Tyson Chandler -- Horace Grant -- Carmelo Anthony -- Ray Allen -- Bird Man
copernicus - DeAndre Jordan -- Draymond Green -- Chris Webber -- Rajon Rondo -- Chris Mullin -- Paul Westphal -- Arvydas Sabonis
slymonium - Magic Johnson -- Kevin Garnett --Tracy McGrady -- Joakim Noah -- Emeka Okafor -- Kris Humphries -- Jamal Tinsley
bds9992 - Anfernee Hardaway -- Ben Wallace -- Kobe Bryant -- Larry Nance -- Yao Ming -- Andrew Bynum -- Marvin Williams
maglor1 - John Stockton -- Shawn Marion -- Marques Johnson -- Gerald Wallace -- Bob Lanier -- Al Horford -- Jeff Teague
banditone - Bob McAdoo -- Kawhi Leonard -- Maurice Cheeks -- Jerry Lucas -- George Gervin -- Rick Barry -- Chris Gatling
8/23/2016 6:55 PM (edited)
General Throat Clearing (first and second round):

- Steph creeping up - maybe too high? jury still out
- superman-lite-esque-ish before Superman? wouldn't do it
-Artis early? maybe?
- don't love Marion before Draymond {except I benefitted from it so definitely do love it) in as much as a 20% drb mid 50s efg hi D SF eligible dude is in play
- in going for what are essentially two role players have I not spent enough money in the first two rounds? (as I model my draft board it looks like I may have trouble staying under 20,000 minutes already)
-Did Kevin Love go a tad early? yeah
-Chris Paul AND Steve Nash? hog
-Terry Porter does not know how to sitemail, apparently
- Winning a title has apparently turned out well for a couple of my guys, Walt and Amare Ant who wound up getting taken much earlier in this draft than last time

AND NOW FOR THE THIRD ROUND (Where team concepts go to die)

- So I guess we're just going to let jhsukow shoot 60% from close range all game long now? is that what we're doing?
- Don't worry Penn you can probably get your 3 pointers from your PF/C positions
- I mean would Harden last 5 minutes on the court with MJ before getting punched out?
- the third round is a matter of fit - it's where everything starts to come together or the wheels start to fall off
- ysw just locked up his 3 man rotation at the power positions but meanwhile most of the good PGs are gone - who needs assists anyway?
- milest has just locked up his 3 man rotation on the perimeter - who needs rebounds anyway?
- someone asked Donyell vs The Brow - 99% SF Brow was not as good a fit as 100% SF Donyell here IMHO - too much usage at just ok efg when you already have two guys shooting 57%+ (potentially), not enough floor spread etc - what did I just say about 'fit'?
- DH w a solid 4-3-2
- Larry Legend needs someone to pass to
- I kind of wanted Pat Ewing vancem but maybe you did me a favor - on to plan b
- uptown are KD and Deron Williams a sweet enough pot that you should be sitting out of the game this long?
- there goes Pau, my plan D in a much later round
- Chris Webber? needed more usage but the rest of the package snaps tight
- McGrady and Kobe? there went plan C -{thank god}
- Marques AND Marion? some redundancy there
8/19/2016 12:49 PM (edited)
ON TO ROUND 4 (wherein we convince ourselves that there is still a chance to fix this mess)

-Usage? who needs it? not me or mikee1 or jcred5 that's for sure...
-I like dh555's first 5 (maybe a little light on assists - above the penalty floor but not by much) - so that's probably bad news for him
-sly is up to no good - not sure who his other big is going to be but he's already just about at 100% as% and doesn't need much on the defensive boards either
-I really like my front line in theory but I have some qualms in terms of their potential sim performance
-So does Mike punch Harden before Oaktree chokes him out or the other way around?
-I have it on good authority that Dana Barros is an A- Steph Curry so good for you cjok
- I have it on better authority that the difference between Jason Terry and Mark Price is about 5 draft slots and a few points of as%
- oh good just what LTB needed, more defense (btw neither Rollins nor the Admiral's best seasons are PF 100 - I find that aesthetically displeasing, there will be deductions)
-milest's team probably sucks because I kind of like it
- not in love w the Brandon pick
- somehow penn has drafted 4 players who should be played on the perimeter and he still doesn't have any 3s
- could someone explain to me what jhsukow got in that deal? Kevin McHale and then he doesn't pick again until the 5th round 6th round!?
- So Larry's just looking around at his teammates wondering if his arms are going to fall off because he has to take all the shots? Red you've surrounded me with 1.5 points of usage!?

Round 5 (screw it, at least I'll get a good draft slot next time around)
- Tree Rollins for Mel Daniels - dammit why did I help the competition ?
- So wait now Penn has managed to draft 5 perimeter guys and he still doesn't have any 3s?
- cjok, the Carter pick? I don't like you right now
- The answer is almost never Kirk Hinrich - Larry now has 3.5 whole points of usage at his side...
- Man if Anthony-Towns got credit for playing D that would be a tasty season (still with the Worm and Patrick flanking him you can probably hide him on that end of the court)
- Terry Tyler, I used to use him about 10 years ago but haven't thought about him in a bit - nice D and decent rebounding at the SF
- Love me some Bob Lanier - used to be my go to guy - him, Clyde Frazier, undrafted guy Fat Lever, undrafted guy - that's how you used to win titles
- The Iceman Cometh!
- which Mookie should you use? I know but I'm not telling
- Not in love with forcing Ho Grant to the 4
- come on hoopsdude, it's surely not as bad as all that...?

THE FINAL ROUND (that guy you hope to take in the 6th round who is only going to play 20mpg is not going to solve your problems)
- How bad was NBC's coverage of the closing ceremonies? Just awful right?
- ooh I drafted 1000 minutes of Andrew Bynum, burnnnn! um, no (and you guys need to get a room)
- game 5 of the 1976 finals - if you don't know about it, educate yourself - Paul Westphal, true American hero - you're welcome
- he's not your vydas! he's not my vydas! he's... meh, just forget it....
- Kris Humphries, first in a long line of victims of hurricane Kim
- Sam Dalembert, so nice we picked him twice
- Ray Allen is a good get in the 6th though
- There goes the first of what promises to be several neck tattoos
- I don't like playing dudes at positions they're not 100%, I just dont
- The Haywood pick was either inspired or not and I'm not sure which
- So Robert Horry uh...he's your starting SF? is that right?
- I'm really interested in seeing what half a point of usage guy jcred picks next
- What kind of monster takes Roy Tarpley in the 6th round - Tarpley's 500 minute season is a national treasure and should be available to all
- Glad to see Big O finally come off the board, it's about time
- I hate it when people draft Wilt and then think they have enough rebounds and don't have to draft any more
- Fat Lever and Hot Rod Williams, (along with Magic Johnson) first team members of the allstar porn name squad (get it? members...)
- While winning a title did wonders for Clyde and Amare who got drafted well ahead of where they got picked last time, Cornbread continued to drop - 61% efg, 700+ trips to the line - nice grab
-- I think we can now safely say jhsukow got the short end of that bargain
8/25/2016 11:22 PM (edited)
Final Thoughts (post your lineups and I will tell you how much they suck)

jhsukow - Wilt Chamberlain -- Kevin McHale -- Amare Stoudamire -- Don Buse -- Joe Dumars -- Kemba Walker -- Ersan Ilyasova
Two questions: 1) so you started with the stilt and then decided you didn’t need any more rebounds? 2) Was Kevin McHale really worth that back court? Full suck points awarded

pennsylvania - LeBron James -- Walt Frazier -- Bobby Jones -- Alvin Robertson -- Paul Pressey -- Walt Bellamy - Greg Oden
so what’s the rotation here? Don’t tell me Bobby Jones or Lebron are playing PF - For all these guards do you even have more than 90% assist or 300 made treys? The suck is in effect

jkaye24 - Stephen Curry -- Hassan Whiteside -- Tom Boerwinkle -- Terrell Brandon -- Dirk Nowitzki -- Fat Lever -- Hot Rod Williams
you kind of watered down Steph and Hassan’s super high EFG with Brandon and Dirk’s just ok EFG at significant usage – lower usage guys might have been a better bet there. Still you have some passing and D and ok boards but wait a second, is Hot Rod going to be your SF? Is that what's happening here? Points deducted. Full on sucky

beachhouse - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- Terry Porter -- Anthony Davis -- Charlie Ward -- Serge Ibaka - Kyle Korver - Cornbread!
Looking at your roster choices your defense looks strong but your defensive rebounding seems light and maybe not enough attempts to escape the individual penalty – borderline sucky

samuelyork93 - Michael Jordan -- Andre Drummond - James Harden -- Charles Oakley -- Nicolas Batum -- Toni Kukoc -- Oliver Miller
I find it very difficult to get past my real life aversion to Harden let alone the sim travesty of his 79 defensive rating – I don’t like playing Batum at the 3 but he’s ok and you have enough on the boards to get by – defense pretty good – not the right Mike for my money but I call that a coin flip – only kind of sucky

amerk1180 - Moses Malone -- Manu Ginobili -- Mookie Blaylock -- Carlos Boozer -- Clifford Ray -- Tony Parker -- Eddie Jones
um have we drafted all 5 positions here? I see a perimeter rotation and I see how your bigs might fit together but something’s missing… something I can’t quite place my finger on… something…? Oh wait I see, you have no small forward! It’s right there as big as the nose on my face, there it is – Incomplete suckage

ysw128 - Dwight Howard -- Kevin Love -- Rudy Gobert -- Jason Terry -- Mike Conley -- Lamar Odom - Ty Lawson
like Gobert, Dwight’s good in the sim, Love I think went early – not really inspired by the back court – probably too much suck

cjok1051 - Shaquille O'Neal -- Marcus Camby -- Andrei Kirilenko -- Dana Barros -- Kyrie Irving -- Samuel Dalembert -- Vince Carter
well you’ve got Dana Barros so that’s pretty good right there, but then you added Kyrie and Wince into the mix which kind of dilutes Shaq’s EFG impact – I know you're saying Wince and Shaq will only share the floor for 7 minutes but that means you're only playing Wince 16 minutes? You spent 8m for 16 mpg? Interior D is strong but perimeter D is meh unless you bring more Wince but Wince pulls attempts from Shaq – it’s official, we have a suck conundrum on our hands

longtallbrad - David Robinson -- Elton Brand -- Gary Payton -- Mel Daniels -- Doug Christie -- Jordan Farmar -- Cole Aldrich
I think Cole Aldrich pushes this one over the cliff – sometimes it’s just a chemistry thing – let’s see defense, rebounding, passing, usage – maybe a little light on EFG – only slightly sucky

milest - Chris Paul -- Klay Thompson -- Willis Reed -- Anthony Mason -- Robert Parish -- Roy Tarpley -- Cory Alexander
what kind of monster drafts Roy Tarpley in the 6th round!? You suck! But your team’s actually not bad – maybe a little light on attempts in terms of the individual penalty but otherwise not enough suck for my liking

dh555 - Karl Malone -- Donyell Marshall -- Clyde Drexler -- Derek Harper -- Buck Williams -- Blake Griffin -- Nate McMillan
this is like one of my teams where before the season starts I just feel so sure they’re going to kick *** but once Scott gets his hands on things they go south liquid quick – good balance, maybe a little light on the boards (not quite 40, not quite 90) – as you said yourself good at most things but not great at any one thing – only slightly sucky

jcred5 - Larry Bird -- Bill Russell -- Dikembe Mutombo -- Brent Barry -- Kirk Hinrich -- Kenneth Faried -- Brandon Rush
in all seriousness the right Larry has a usage of 30.2 – that’s 6 points of usage – the right Russell, Barry, Mutombo seasons combine for 2.5 additional points and then (I won’t say right) the Hinrich season you’ll use is another 2 pts so that’s 10.5 points – in theory enough to escape the team penalty but I’d wager that if you divided your attempts drafted by your minutes drafted and multiplied that number by 5 and then multiplied that number by 48 you would get nowhere near the 95-100+ attempts you’ll be putting up in game play – which means hello individual penalty -- otherwise ok D, a little light on the offensive boards, decent passing but too much sucking

vancem - Dennis Rodman -- Julius Erving -- Pat Ewing -- Jose Calderon -- Karl Anthony Towns -- Jameer Nelson --Jonas Valanciunas
not bad, not a lot floor stretching – maybe a minus 1 setting? Great D (a couple matadors to cover for but you have the pieces to do that) – how do you get ValanCHEWnus from that spelling? That’s messed up – I don’t think your team sucks so maybe that means it sucks a lot?

thomcat - Charles Barkley -- Hakeem Olajuwon -- Jerry West -- Mark Price -- Terry Tyler -- David Lee -- JJ Reddick
disqualified on account of big red F-ing Xs – full suck awarded

eleibowitz - Dwyane Wade -- Bill Walton -- Shawn Kemp -- Andre Iguodala -- Andrew Bogut -- Robert Horry -- Eric Bledsoe

stupid team, I don’t like it – defense is good, passing ok, decent scoring balance around Wade – Robert Horry as a starter? I guess he’s ok, sort of like an A- Larry Sanders! ? I don’t like your team but I can’t quite put my finger on why – it just kind of gives me a headache when I think about how it fits together – it’s like an alien artifact – I think it might not suck at all

uptowngbv - Kevin Durant -- Steve Nash -- Deron Williams -- Tree Rollins -- George Hill -- Spencer Heywood -- Dan Gadzuric

I’m putting myself in your shoes here – it’s the 6th round, you have a **** ton of assists, your EFG game is strong, D is just ok but not terrible, Williams can cover for Nash, Tree brings a big stick in the middle – you need some boards for sure but then you go ‘hey let’s take 4 pts of 49% efg usage and let’s just lock that in for 45 minutes a game’? – I still don’t know how I feel about that – indeterminate suckage

hoopsdude - Artis Gilmore -- Oscar Robertson -- Pau Gasol -- Kevin Johnson -- Cedric Ceballos -- Paul Pierce -- Chris Bosh

I don’t get why the Bosh pick screwed you but I’ll take your word for it. I won’t point out that Pau and the Truth (not to mention Bosh himself) both have a lot of useful seasons at various salary levels because why help out the competition? What I will say is that you fell into the trap of drafting a big board lord early and then not really providing him with a lot of help and your defense leaves a little to be desired – your team kind of sucks


jt7king - Tim Duncan -- Chauncey Billups -- Alonzo Mourning -- Danny Green -- Larry Sanders! -- Charlie Edge -- Enes Kanter

Strong D, enough passing to stay out of the penalty, good EFG and scoring balance – points deducted for using a player in an aesthetically displeasing fashion takes this from only kind of sucky to full on


mikee1 - Jason Kidd -- Scottie Pippen -- Tyson Chandler -- Horace Grant -- Carmelo Anthony -- Ray Allen -- Bird Man

I really liked your team right up to the point where you took Carmelo and forced Ho Grant to play the 4 – I get why you took a big usage guy, you definitely needed one because up to that point it was Scottie and the 3 dwarves in terms of usage but maybe you could have found a big with 4 or 6 points of usage and more boards with at least similar EFG? And while Shuttlesworth is a great pick up in the 6th I’m not sure you can get value from him without forcing Scottie to play minutes at the 3 spot which nerfs his value similarly to way drafting Melo nerfed Horace’s value – nerfing value sucks


copernicus - DeAndre Jordan -- Draymond Green -- Chris Webber -- Rajon Rondo -- Chris Mullin -- Paul Westphal -- Arvydas Sabonis

going to get some individual penalty action and the team already turns the ball over a bit – not a perfect PF/FTA ratio – perimeter D just ok (but interior D good) + fouls + turnovers (are amongst the most aberrant stat categories game to game) +/_ Scott’s statistical suppression ‘jinx’ = sucktastic (I'm going to have games where I lose because I turn the ball over 30+ times and you go to the line 40+ times - I know this and yet it still drives me absolutely bats - life is not fair)

slymonium - Magic Johnson -- Kevin Garnett --Tracy McGrady -- Joakim Noah -- Emeka Okafor -- Kris Humphries -- Jamal Tinsley

maybe the best team on the boards in the league, nice assists to maybe offset the mediocre EFG of your highest usage dudes (which might be your downfall?) – solid D throughout – I’d use a different Buck but that’s me – I’d say your team hardly sucks at all

bds9992 - Anfernee Hardaway -- Ben Wallace -- Kobe Bryant -- Larry Nance -- Yao Ming -- Andrew Bynum -- Marvin Williams
I think there’s a way to build around Kobe and have some success in this league but it probably doesn’t involve putting a shoot first PG next to him. Strong start on defense – maybe a little light on assists and offensive rebounds, plugging in a non-hideable 57 D in the 5 spot in this league is not ideal – let the suck-a-thon begin!

maglor1 - John Stockton -- Shawn Marion -- Marques Johnson -- Gerald Wallace -- Bob Lanier -- Al Horford -- Jeff Teague
so I know you said you were thinking about a different Marques but then you went and drafted Gerald Wallace who is pretty much a different version of Marion w lower efg so we’re right back at redundant again – sort of like drafting Wilt and coming up short on boards you drafted Stockton and then 3 guys who average single digit as% numbers – Stockton himself is just about enough and Lanier in the right season is good for another 12+% so you’re ok w assists but you could have been much more than OK – suck redundancy achieved

banditone - Bob McAdoo -- Kawhi Leonard -- Maurice Cheeks -- Jerry Lucas -- George Gervin -- Rick Barry -- Chris Gatling
So you’ve got McAdoo, Kawhi, Mo Cheeks and Jerry Lucas – you’re on to something special I think, solid defense, great EFG, about 75% deBoarding, somewhere between 45-52% assists (depending on which Mo season you’re using) and about 10 points of usage – playing your guys at ‘sim natural’ positions your 3 spot is open – I would say you need 2-4 points of usage at good efg, at least 10% more assists, and at least 15% more deBoarding% to solidify your starting unit -- my question to you is: which Iceman season is that? because I don’t see it on my draft screen – I do see a single digit Drb%/single digit as% dude who takes 1900 shots in less than 3000 minutes shooting the lowest EFG of any of your starters – If I were a betting man that’s where I’d say you drove it right off the road – but what do I know? I suck

8/24/2016 11:29 PM (edited)
Posted by vancem on 8/15/2016 1:01:00 AM (view original):
Rodman at # 13 seems to be a good value. I've never drafted him before and I don't think that he has ever been in a championship team in this league. It's quite a challenge.
I thought about Rodman at 9 since he provides a unique rebounding advantage, but it ended up seeming like a gamble given the usage challenge. Also thought about Bird, the Mailman, and a guy who hasn't been picked yet.

The Admiral seems to be one of those players who doesn't frequently end up on contenders in this league. I wish he were a more prolific rebounder, but other than that there's nothing to complain about. He plays a relatively clean game, scores pretty efficiently and gets to the line. He may be a little easier to build around than my last first rounder...
8/15/2016 9:20 AM
Aaand Artis is back in the first round.
8/15/2016 10:13 AM
main thing I don't like about picking early is that it is hard to plan ahead when you have to wait so long and you have no idea who is going to be left. I try to use the past draft as a guide but you never know
8/15/2016 10:48 AM (edited)
Posted by vancem on 8/15/2016 1:01:00 AM (view original):
Rodman at # 13 seems to be a good value. I've never drafted him before and I don't think that he has ever been in a championship team in this league. It's quite a challenge.
I took him at 10 last season and tied for the best record in the league. Good luck, if I could go back I probably would've drafted more rebounding.
8/15/2016 6:50 PM
I took Shaq in this draft. Believe it or not I have never had him on any roster I've created. I'm a little nervous as to how to build around him, considering my lack of every using him.
8/15/2016 6:54 PM
I should've taken Rodman now that I have time to look more in depth. Maybe Karl... I like CP3 but I can't really explain why without giving away too much. Drafting CP3 or a Stockton in the first almost guarantees you'll come in way below cap. I've learned that's now as bad as it sounds, but it's still intimidating. I can't make any mistakes.
8/15/2016 7:24 PM (edited)
same duo, different plan. no jumping on ________, this time. (this is a little easier, because i'm certain one key component will be there in the early 4th.)
8/15/2016 9:12 PM
Hmm. Garnett never seemed to go big places as a first rounder in this league, but as a second rounder he starts to make me nervous.
8/15/2016 9:22 PM
Posted by longtallbrad on 8/15/2016 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Aaand Artis is back in the first round.
My plan was to get Barkley... I thought I finally had a plan of how to build around him. But when I logged in this morning, he was already taken, so I decided "Oh, what the hell, I'mma lose anyways, and I've wanted to see how he does for me". So here we are.
8/15/2016 9:33 PM
I also considered Draymond Green, but went with Marion due to slightly higher usage, minutes, oreb%, and fg%. I would have went with Draymond if my plan was different.
8/16/2016 3:15 AM
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