Rule V Leg #53 - Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Cubs and Orioles have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2015) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2014
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
8/18/2016 6:19 PM
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Player Draft Order. Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.

Worst-to-Best rankings (removing best & worst seasons)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 7 412 722 0.3633
2 D'backs 14 1012 1256 0.4462
3 Tigers 24 1773 2116 0.4559
4 Pirates 22 1679 1885 0.4711
5 White Sox 11 841 941 0.4719
6 Rockies 13 1000 1106 0.4748
7 Twins 26 2035 2178 0.4830
8 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
9 Angels 21 1660 1742 0.4879
10 Blue Jays 30 2398 2463 0.4933
11 Brewers 27 2164 2213 0.4944
12 Marlins 23 1849 1879 0.4960
13 Orioles 27 2170 2205 0.4960
14 Expos 34 2737 2774 0.4966
15 Mariners 33 2664 2683 0.4982
16 Indians 33 2687 2660 0.5025
17 Red Sox 34 2773 2736 0.5034
18 Mets 32 2613 2572 0.5040
19 Phillies 34 2779 2732 0.5043
20 Padres 28 2289 2247 0.5046
21 Cubs 25 2052 1998 0.5067
22 Giants 33 2728 2620 0.5101
23 Reds 28 2317 2220 0.5107
24 Royals 29 2413 2287 0.5134
25 Braves 33 2749 2597 0.5142
26 Cardinals 34 2859 2650 0.5190
27 Dodgers 33 2842 2506 0.5314
28 Yankees 30 2594 2266 0.5337
29 A's 34 2946 2563 0.5348
30 Astros 34 3000 2509 0.5446
8/24/2016 12:00 PM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed draft starts Monday 8/22)
  1. spoonfed 57-105 .352 Atlanta Braves#
  2. mussopini23 62-100 .383 San Francisco Giants#
  3. deathdealer 63-99 .389 Houston Astros#
  4. Robin4 75-87 .463 Philadelphia Phillies#
  5. alice 76-86 .469 Chicago Cubs#
  6. spikeboots 76-86 .469 Boston Red Sox#
  7. ChitownBluz 76-86 .469^ Oakland Athletics#
  8. dilligafdbp 77-85 .475 Pittsburgh Pirates#
  9. ACEROTHSTEIN 78-84 .481^ St. Louis Cardinals#
  10. tridentric 79-83 .488 New York Yankees#
  11. sinfonian11 80-82 .494 Texas Rangers#
  12. pumpkinmcp 81-81 .500 Toronto Blue Jays#
  13. llcoach 84-78 .519 Baltimore Orioles#
  14. mllama54 84-78 .519 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals#
  15. buddhagamer 87-75 .537 Los Angeles Dodgers#
  16. shaybee 89-73 .549 New York Mets#
  17. nordawg 84-78 .519*^ Cincinnati Reds#
  18. alleyviper 84-78 .519* Tampa Bay Rays#
  19. specsman 91-71 .562* Seattle Mariners#
  20. grayfoxx 92-70 .568*^ Arizona Diamondbacks#
  21. tjefferson 95-67 .586* Detroit Tigers#
  22. newarkwilder schwarze 96-66 .593* Miami Marlins
  23. rbow923 89-73 .549% Cleveland Indians#
  24. ff09 89-73 .549$ Kansas City Royals#
# Third round keeper sent
^ new owner
* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment
NL East: Phillies, Mets, Expos/Nats, Marlins
NL Central: Braves, Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates
NL West: Reds, Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Rays, Tigers, Indians, Royals
AL West: Rangers, Astros, Mariners, Athletics

Owner list for sitemailing: spoonfed; mussopini23; deathdealer; Robin4; alice; spikeboots; ChitownBluz; dilligafdbp; ACEROTHSTEIN; tridentric; sinfonian11; pumpkinmcp; llcoach; mllama54; buddhagamer; shaybee; nordawg; alleyviper; specsman; grayfoxx; tjefferson; newarkwilder; rbow923; ff09
8/30/2016 12:36 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 8/25)
  1. alleyviper - Tampa Bay Rays John Tudor - STL
  2. grayfoxx - Arizona Diamondbacks Kevin Brown - LAD
  3. tjefferson - Detroit Tigers Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  4. dilligafdbp - Pittsburgh Pirates Orel Hershiser - LAD Dodgers off the board
  5. sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers Derek Lowe - BOS
  6. pumpkinmcp - Toronto Blue Jays Tom Seaver - CIN
  7. schwarze - Miami Marlins JR Richard - HOU
  8. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles Bernie Williams - NYY Yankees off the board
  9. mllama54 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals John Olerud - NYM
  10. specsman - Seattle Mariners Kevin Appier - KCR
  11. rbow923 - Cleveland Indians Rico Petrocelli - BOS Red Sox off the board
  12. spikeboots - Boston Red Sox Tim Hudson - OAK
  13. shaybee - New York Mets Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  14. Robin4 - Philadelphia Phillies Alan Trammell - DET
  15. alice - Chicago Cubs Kevin Millwood - ATL
  16. mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants Willie McGee - STL Cardinals off the board
  17. nordawg - Cincinnati Reds John Smoltz - ATL Braves off the board
  18. ff09 - Kansas City Royals Jose Altuve - HOU Astros off the board
  19. spoonfed - Atlanta Braves Roger Nelson - KCR Royals off the board
  20. ACEROTHSTEIN - St. Louis Cardinals Fergie Jenkins - CHC
  21. buddhagamer - Los Angeles Dodgers Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  22. tridentric - New York Yankees Tim Lincecum - SFG Giants off the board
  23. ChitownBluz - Oakland Athletics George Foster - CIN Reds off the board
  24. deathdealer - Houston Astros Mike Piazza - MIA
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Monday 8/29)
  1. alleyviper - Tampa Bay Rays Carl Yastrzemski - BOS
  2. grayfoxx - Arizona Diamondbacks Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  3. tjefferson - Detroit Tigers Dave Righetti - NYY
  4. dilligafdbp - Pittsburgh Pirates Mark McGwire - OAK
  5. sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers Lance Berkman - HOU
  6. pumpkinmcp - Toronto Blue Jays Chris Hoiles - BAL
  7. schwarze - Miami Marlins Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  8. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles Mariano Rivera - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  9. mllama54 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Willie Wilson - KCR
  10. specsman - Seattle Mariners John Mayberry - KCR (Royals off the board)
  11. rbow923 - Cleveland Indians Tim Burke - MON/WSH
  12. spikeboots - Boston Red Sox BJ Ryan - TOR
  13. shaybee - New York Mets Kris Medlen - ATL
  14. Robin4 - Philadelphia Phillies Cliff Lee - SEA
  15. alice - Chicago Cubs Matty Alou - PIT
  16. mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants Matt Williams - ARI
  17. nordawg - Cincinnati Reds Bill Singer - LAD
  18. ff09 - Kansas City Royals Dale Murphy - ATL (Braves off the board)
  19. spoonfed - Atlanta Braves Jacob DeGrom - NYM
  20. ACEROTHSTEIN - St. Louis Cardinals Andy Messersmith - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  21. buddhagamer - Los Angeles Dodgers Roberto Alomar - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  22. tridentric - New York Yankees Billy Williams - CHC
  23. ChitownBluz - Oakland Athletics Gary Nolan - CIN
  24. deathdealer - Houston Astros Manny Ramirez - CLE
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 9/1)
  1. alleyviper - Tampa Bay Rays Don Wilson - HOU
  2. grayfoxx - Arizona Diamondbacks Jose DeLeon - STL
  3. tjefferson - Detroit Tigers Reggie Jackson - OAK
  4. dilligafdbp - Pittsburgh Pirates Dustin Pedroia - BOS
  5. sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers Bruce Sutter - CHC
  6. pumpkinmcp - Toronto Blue Jays Carlos Beltran - NYM
  7. newarkwilder - Miami Marlins Rheal Cormier - PHI
  8. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles Rich Gossage - NYY
  9. mllama54 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Miguel Tejada - BAL
  10. specsman - Seattle Mariners Ted Simmons - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  11. rbow923 - Cleveland Indians Will Clark - SFG
  12. spikeboots - Boston Red Sox Roy Halladay - TOR
  13. shaybee - New York Mets Curtis Granderson - DET
  14. Robin4 - Philadelphia Phillies Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  15. alice - Chicago Cubs Jose Reyes - NYM (Mets off the board)
  16. mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  17. nordawg - Cincinnati Reds Gary Sheffield - ATL
  18. ff09 - Kansas City Royals Grady Sizemore - CLE
  19. spoonfed - Atlanta Braves Moises Alou - HOU (Astros off the board)
  20. ACEROTHSTEIN - St. Louis Cardinals Brady Anderson - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  21. buddhagamer - Los Angeles Dodgers Mark Texeira - ATL (Braves off the board)
  22. tridentric - New York Yankees Rafael Soriano - SEA
  23. ChitownBluz - Oakland Athletics Larry Walker - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  24. deathdealer - Houston Astros Sean Doolittle - OAK (Athletics off the board)
9/2/2016 10:57 AM (edited)
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List of Keepers/Draft Picks

alleyviper - Tampa Bay Rays: Carlos Pena, Ben Zobrist, Evan Longoria, Fernando Rodney, Joaquin Benoit, John Tudor - STL, David Price, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Rafael Soriano, Don Wilson - HOU

grayfoxx - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Daniel Hudson, Kevin Brown - LAD, Aaron Hill, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, AJ Pollock, Jose DeLeon - STL

tjefferson - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Carlos Guillen, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Tony Phillips, Dave Righetti - NYY, Willie Hernandez, Reggie Jackson - OAK

dilligafdbp - Pittsburgh Pirates: Jay Bell, Barry Bonds, Freddie Sanchez, Brian Giles, Rick Reuschel, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Doug Drabek, Mark McGwire - OAK, Jason Kendall, Dustin Pedroia - BOS

sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Adrian Beltre, Josh Hamilton, TSMOPOAT, Mike Napoli, Derek Lowe - BOS, Cliff Lee, Lance Berkman - HOU, Rafael Palmeiro, Bruce Sutter - CHC

pumpkinmcp - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, Tony Fernandez, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Tom Seaver - CIN, Roberto Alomar, Chris Hoiles - BAL, Jimmy Key, Carlos Beltran - NYM

schwarze/newarkwilder - Miami Marlins: Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Miguel Cabrera, Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, JR Richard - HOU, Bryan Harvey, Larry Dierker - HOU, Giancarlo Stanton, Rheal Cormier - PHI

llcoach - Baltimore Orioles: Frank Robinson, TSMOPPOAT, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Mike Mussina, Bernie Williams - NYY, Andrew Miller, Mariano Rivera - NYY, Melvin Mora, Rich Gossage - NYY

mllama54 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Max Scherzer, Pedro Martinez, Bryce Harper, Gary Carter, Tim Raines, John Olerud - NYM, Pascual Perez, Willie Wilson - KCR, Jeff Reardon, Miguel Tejada - BAL

specsman - Seattle Mariners: Felix Hernandez, Randy Johnson, Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Ichiro Suzuki, Kevin Appier - KCR, Bret Boone, John Mayberry - KCR, Freddy Garcia, Ted Simmons - STL

rbow923 - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Jim Thome, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Rafael Betancourt, Tim Burke - MON/WSH, Carlos Carrasco, Will Clark - SFG

spikeboots - Boston Red Sox: Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra, Fred Lynn, Tim Hudson - OAK, Carlton Fisk, BJ Ryan - TOR, Koji Uehara, Roy Halladay - TOR

shaybee - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Matt Harvey, David Wright, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, Howard Johnson, Kris Medlen - ATL, Mike Piazza, Curtis Granderson - DET

Robin4 - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Ryan Howard, Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, Alan Trammell - DET, Lenny Dykstra, Cliff Lee - SEA, Ken Giles, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH

alice - Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Derrick Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Rick Wilkins, Matty Alou - PIT, Carlos Zambrano, Jose Reyes - NYM

mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants: Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Buster Posey, Willie McGee - STL, Jeff Kent, Matt Williams - ARI, Rich Aurilia, Rickey Henderson - NYY

nordawg - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, HWMNBN, Johnny Cueto, John Smoltz - ATL, Aroldis Chapman, Bill Singer - LAD, Barry Larkin, Gary Sheffield - ATL

ff09 - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Bret Saberhagen, David Cone, Wade Davis, Jose Altuve - HOU, Larry Gura, Dale Murphy - ATL, Johnny Damon, Grady Sizemore - CLE

spoonfed - Atlanta Braves: Hank Aaron, Marcus Giles, Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, Craig Kimbrel, Roger Nelson - KCR, Javy Lopez, Jacob DeGrom - NYM, Phil Niekro, Moises Alou - HOU

ACEROTHSTEIN - St. Louis Cardinals: Lou Brock, Albert Pujols, Ozzie Smith, Bob Gibson, Mark McGwire, Fergie Jenkins - CHC, Joe Torre, Andy Messersmith - LAD, Adam Wainwright, Brady Anderson - BAL

buddhagamer - Los Angeles Dodgers: Mike Piazza, Adrian Beltre, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Fernando Valenzuela, Roberto Alomar - BAL, Hong-Chi Kuo, Mark Texeira - ATL

tridentric - New York Yankees: Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Paul O'Neill, Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Tim Lincecum - SFG, Fritz Peterson, Billy Williams - CHC, Bobby Murcer, Rafael Soriano - SEA

ChitownBluz - Oakland Athletics: Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Mike Norris, George Foster - CIN, Steve McCatty, Gary Nolan - CIN, Dennis Eckersley, Larry Walker - MON/WSH

deathdealer - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Roger Clemens, Mike Scott, TSMOPOAT, Mike Piazza - MIA, Billy Wagner, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Cesar Cedeno, Sean Doolittle - OAK
9/2/2016 10:58 AM (edited)
spoonfed
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I will choose the Atlanta Braves
8/18/2016 8:22 PM
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So does the years column indicate how many times the franchise was picked?
8/19/2016 12:22 AM
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Posted by ACEROTHSTEIN on 8/19/2016 12:22:00 AM (view original):
So does the years column indicate how many times the franchise was picked?
For as many years as we have data, yes. We started compiling that info in Leg #17, I believe.
8/19/2016 5:25 AM
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I see that I am taking over for an owner who made the playoffs - is there any way to see last year's standings?
8/19/2016 11:44 AM
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Posted by grayfoxx on 8/19/2016 11:44:00 AM (view original):
I see that I am taking over for an owner who made the playoffs - is there any way to see last year's standings?
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=445654&TopicsTimeframe=30&page=6&TopicsPage=0
8/19/2016 12:03 PM
sinfonian11
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Hopefully pini will make his appearance soon. He was asking yesterday in the classified thread when we were going to start...
8/19/2016 12:27 PM
sinfonian11
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Well, this has been a productive day...

I'll post and send out the schedule for Monday in a few minutes.
8/19/2016 5:41 PM
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I will be happy if he picks this weekend
8/19/2016 8:53 PM
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I'm here I will take the home town team, per my son, which is his favorite team, SF Giants
8/20/2016 4:02 PM
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Houston Astros
8/20/2016 6:32 PM
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