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robocoach
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Sorry about the format- wont come out right in IE no matter what I do, and I just don't feel like retyping into firefox.
9/5/2014 9:44 AM
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Posted by robocoach on 9/5/2014 9:50:00 AM (view original):
Notes on CREB (my division anyway):



Team.......................Sim rebounds......... Opponents rebounds .........Actual rebounds
Brianna ........... 4266 .......... 4087 ...... 4471
Bat ............ 4056 ........... 4015 ........ 5231
Round Mound .. 4318 ............... 4329 ....... 4180
odds .......... 3911 .................. 4522 (wow) ....... 3753
Army ...... 4095 ........... 4329 ........ 4179
Malleus ......... 3862 ............ 4096 .......... 4534



With my CREB, I was 700 rebounds short for the second ODL in a row. So, thanks a bunch Simmy. The more I look at this, the more it looks like a bunch of random crap- rebounds for has two outliers, me and Bato out of Hell; rebounds against has one outlier, Against the Odds. So pound that Creb% everybody, because it may mean jack ****.
why are you looking at raw totals? CREB is an advanced stat and should be figured as combined Orbd/Drbd%

take for example:

Bill Russell 67-68 and his 1451 rebounds in 2959 minutes - he has a creb of 41.2%

whereas

Dennis Rodman 93-94 has 1367 rebounds in 2989 minutes but has a creb of 48.8%

less rebounds in slightly more minutes but still significantly stronger on the boards
9/5/2014 10:19 AM (edited)
natenoy
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My actual boards are inflated by pre-70's players (Wilt & Lucas). The pace of the NBA pre-70's was worlds different than it is today. The sim gives us around 100 total boards a game, there were season's pre-70 where the average was upwards in the 140 boards per game range.
9/5/2014 10:11 AM
natenoy
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It makes perfect sense when you think about it, pre-70 the the pace was much higher and far more shots were missed, thus rebounding actuals from that era are seriously inflated by today's standards, hence the reason WIS uses advanced stats and not the raw totals.
9/5/2014 10:15 AM
felonius
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not to mention that WiS has fudged those numbers since they don't have the off/def #s

about which btw according to WiS in the first 20 seasons (51-52 thru 71-72) of the league there were 30 player seasons with a Orb% of 13 or higher - compare this to the most recent 20 year span (93-94 thru 13-14) where there are 289 such player seasons

now consider that one set is actual statistical data and the other is made up nonsense
9/5/2014 10:28 AM (edited)
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Posted by natenoy on 9/5/2014 9:22:00 AM (view original):
I've had Kobe in the ODL finals twice here, but both times be was a 3rd round pick. The key is that there is a shortlist of what you need to make a Kobe team a winner and the players on that short list are generally gone by the end of the second round. Hence, by the 3rd round there are no pieces of the puzzle left that you need to put with Kobe to have a contending squad.

Think of it in terms of an MLB game. Taking Kobe too early is like bringing in your closer in an MLB game with two out and two on base in the 5th inning of a 1-0 game. Sure the closer may get you out of the jam, but because you used him in the 5th inning he won't be around for the 9th when you need him the most.

EVERY minute you draft here is critical, this league is like a 24-person Chess match. Think of it in terms of not only the fact that you took Kobe but also what you gave up to get him. All the tradeoffs come into play, from the salary you have to use on a guy to which players you passed on to get him. This league more than any other requires you to think about your entire draft as a whole with each individual decision.
9/5/2014 10:35 AM
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Jordan and McGrady are teaming up to sow destruction across the league. I'll be disappointed if they don't combine for 100 at least once.
9/5/2014 4:57 PM
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Posted by tarheel1991 on 9/5/2014 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Jordan and McGrady are teaming up to sow destruction across the league. I'll be disappointed if they don't combine for 100 at least once.
playing them at the 1/2 or the 2/3?
9/5/2014 6:17 PM
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Posted by dh555 on 9/5/2014 6:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tarheel1991 on 9/5/2014 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Jordan and McGrady are teaming up to sow destruction across the league. I'll be disappointed if they don't combine for 100 at least once.
playing them at the 1/2 or the 2/3?
Tbd depending on who's around at my upcoming picks
9/5/2014 6:21 PM
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Well regardless if I took Kobe too early or not, this should be an interesting combo of Kobe and Bird.
9/5/2014 7:00 PM
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I was glad to see Buck come back to pair with Howard.

def    Name Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
90   Dwight Howard 10-11 Magic C 27.4 59.4 0.0 59.3 12.1 28.8 4.9 1.7 3.8
70   Buck Williams 82-83 Nets PF 18.4 58.7 0.0 58.8 13.4 24.2 4.7 1.2 2.1
9/5/2014 7:18 PM
natenoy
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How about your fouls smokey?
9/5/2014 8:02 PM
smokey57
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They're at 3.3fpg, actually not bad for the boards & def they bring.
9/5/2014 8:06 PM
robocoach
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I was looking at exactly that Buck Williams season myself. Astonished he went so early, Went end of round three (?) last time.
9/5/2014 10:13 PM
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Posted by robocoach on 9/5/2014 10:13:00 PM (view original):
I was looking at exactly that Buck Williams season myself. Astonished he went so early, Went end of round three (?) last time.
He was pick #70 in the last ODL .... so almost 4th round.
9/5/2014 10:19 PM
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