I know you clarified in paragraph 2 that you are talking about voting against Republicans. I think you caught yourself while you were typing and realized that you were sounding fascistic while you were calling the other side fascists, but it doesn’t make your 1st paragraph any better.
Why doesn't anyone ever contest the fact claim? I clearly stated that I don't support banning the Republican party. I don't support killing, genocide, or doing any type of violent political action against Republicans. I still believe that the party poses an existential threat to democracy in America and should be thoroughly defeated and destroyed at the ballot box. I don't think that's fascistic. It's not fascism to oppose fascism through voting. And no one has given me a reason to not feel this way about the Republican Party. I get how my rhetoric might have come across that way, but I'm done with treating the MAGA movement as some benign force that can't do damage. They're fascists. They want to end democracy and they openly support the destruction of the planet. I'm simply calling a spade a spade. The recent anti-semitism stuff and open and blatant acceptance of lying on the right has put me over the edge.
Also, I know you don’t want to hear it, but election denial runs both ways. There is more evidence of voter fraud (which is almost zero) than there is evidence of voter suppression, yet democrats keep lying about voter suppression.
I agree that Democrats sometimes overhype the degree of voter suppression that the Republicans engage in. I also know (and you're smart enough to know as well) that they don't come near touching what the Republicans have said and done about the election fraud lies. I actually think Stacey Abrams engaged in harmful rhetoric after her loss in 2018. It was nothing compared to what Trump did in 2020. Massive difference between "some votes were suppressed" and "votes were changed/fraudulently added, the election should be overturned." The Republicans are openly building the framework to commit a coup. The both-sidesing is real tiring.
Neither side is evil. They just disagree on policy.
Come on, strikeout. This would be true for neo-conservatives and liberals, but not the MAGA wing. We're in a post-Trump world. We're in a post Jan 6 world. The disagreements between the radical extremes (on both sides, to an extent) rise above "simple policy disagreements."
- Whether democracy and fair elections should exist shouldn't be a policy issue
- Whether trans people should be forcefully de-transitioned (and arguably worse, given MAINSTREAM conservative rhetoric) shouldn't be a policy issue
- Whether climate change is real shouldn't be a policy issue
The Republicans are SCREAMING that they're going to push for a coup in 2024 if they get the opportunity. I don't have an intrinsic issue with debating conservative policy in a respectful manner. I do have an issue with equivocating and accepting the path we're on.
This proves the point of my last paragraph. Tang two years ago didn’t carry hatred in his heart
I want to be totally clear. As much as doug and gg frustrate me, I view them (and most MAGA people) as victims in this situation. They're in a media bubble, as most of us are, and human psychology has kind of led them in the direction they're in. They only see one narrative and from their perspective, everything they say is justified. The people I resent are the conservative influencers and voice leaders who know they're lying about election fraud and a myriad of other issues, yet continue to perpetuate those narratives. Look at what Crenshaw recently said about GOP congresspeople knowing they're lying about the election fraud stuff. They will LITERALLY make stuff up, sell it to their base out of nowhere, know they're lying, and not care. When those lies come to groups of people, democracy, and climate change, you cross a line. I don't know what they have to do to cross that line for you.
We know what’s it doing. It’s leading to people showing up at Kavanaugh and Pelosi’s house.
This is an excellent example because the people who showed up at Kavanaugh's house were kinda just standing there protesting (which I oppose), and Congress passed a law to prevent that within days in a bipartisan manner, meanwhile the Pelosi guy BROKE INTO THE HOUSE WITH A HAMMER and the reaction from conservatives was to soft-defend the guy, literally make up a narrative to blame gay people, and both-sides. I couldn't think of a better example of the differences between the extremism on both sides, tbh
Like, seriously. The "storm is coming" branch of QAnon is basically mainstream conservatism at this point. You've got guys with manifestos effectively sprouting generic conservative talking points before trying to murder people, but Biden says "fascism is bad" and both sides are the same, I guess.
The temperature needs to cool fast. We need to learn to live civilly amongst each other and to respect opposing view points or we are screwed.
Again, if your brand of moderation is to respect opposing view points, such as election fraud lies, lies about climate change, and whatever bullshit narrative they just blatantly make up today, I reject that. I don't think we should accept every opposing view point. My question to you would be where your line is. I draw the line at democracy stuff. When the GOP went there, they crossed my line. What would your line be?
Both sides lie. It’s been the stereotype of politicians for generations.
I'm aware, and acknowledged this. In your example, Biden is a senile old man with a fragile memory. He misspeaks constantly and says dumb ****. You would have a point if it became a mainstream democratic talking point that student debt relief was passed by Congress, while basically everyone knows they're lying and no one cares. Wake me up when CNN or the NYT publishes an article claiming that debt relief was passed by Congress.
(I think I kinda oppose the student debt relief cancellation now, for the record)
11/7/2022 2:55 AM (edited)