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I am fascinated to see how boogerlips' team will end up doing. You will note that he is near the bottom on OPS# and in ERC#. He drafted a sh*t load of triples and so his offense will probably underachieve less than the teams with HR hitters. And obviously, playing in Mile High will only help those triples hitters. He also spent a lot of defense so that can only help his pitching. He ranks third in most lefty/switch hitters in his lineup.

This is a great test team for my ranking formulas...This will test just how much defense matters to a weaker pitching staff and how much lefty/switch hitting teams can make a weaker offense look better.
8/30/2023 11:44 AM
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 9:35:00 AM (view original):
My defensive formula isn't perfect. I basically have a score for each position for range and fielding% (weighted by playing time). For example, an A/B+ fielder is assigned 8.5 points while a player at the same position with a defensive rating of C-/A is assigned 6 points. Range is weighted a bit higher than fielding%, and catcher's throwing arm has more weight than his range/fielding ratings. Sadly, my formula cannot differentiate from a normal A+ vs A+++ range guys, although the assumption is that if you are spending on A+ range, it's more likely to be an A+++ range, and that rating gets a bonus.

In a normal $100M league, a good team fielding score is in the low 50's and the average team is in the mid 40's. Obviously, with a lot more salary to spend, most people drafted a strong defense in this theme. Here are the defensive scores for the 160M league.
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Owner__________ Division_____ Defense
jfranco77 AL Central 67
boogerlips NL West 61
mpitt76 AL West 59
_JJP_ AL East 59
mildnhazy NL West 59
hebdomad AL Central 58
tigerrott NL Central 57
schwarze NL East 55
beauchamp NL East 54
jbohrman NL Central 54
adsmith182 NL East 54
discodemo AL East 53
Fsmiley NL Central 52
justinlee_24 AL Central 51
ledfoot AL Central 50
magicdreamer AL East 47
duhbigcat NL West 47
ronthegenius NL East 46
buddhagamer NL West 46
redcped AL West 45
mjkrunner AL West 42
Bill_James47 AL West 42
barracuda3 NL Central 40
toysboys AL East 35
Average 51.3
I’m curious how this will play out. Of my 7 guys out in the field, 5 are A or A+ in range and 2 are A++. But they also are all basically C in Fld%. I obviously valued range higher and I wanted their bats even at that trade off. I guess I’ll find out how costly errors are compared with the gain from plus plays.
8/30/2023 11:57 AM
Your catcher (Anson), first base (Sisler) & outfielder (Joe Jackson) hurt your fielding score.

Comparing your fielding scores to mine, just counting your 2B, 3B, SS, top 2 OF, you're 2 points better than me. But counting just C, 1B and third OF, I'm 12 points ahead of you.
8/30/2023 1:58 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Your catcher (Anson), first base (Sisler) & outfielder (Joe Jackson) hurt your fielding score.

Comparing your fielding scores to mine, just counting your 2B, 3B, SS, top 2 OF, you're 2 points better than me. But counting just C, 1B and third OF, I'm 12 points ahead of you.
I’m not sure how much Anson will hurt on defense. Base stealing shouldn’t be too big an issue, but he might make a couple extra errors and PB. Not using him before made him a small risk.

But otherwise yeah I accepted average defense at 1B where I think it’s less likely to cause issues and in LF, where I will probably play Heath over Jackson but I expect a few minus plays. I felt it was worth the offensive boosts, but I might have erred there.
8/30/2023 2:03 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 9:46:00 AM (view original):
Regarding this last table, I was shocked I wasn't ranked first. My only RH batter is my 2B platoon of Nap Lajoie / Doc Farrell. I guess I could have gone with Frankie Frisch (like justinlee_24).
I was one pick away from having drafted Snuffy Stirnweiss instead... I went with Frankie Frisch after he got picked just ahead of me.

So there's a bit of luck involved with me happening to have more LHB/SWH than you.
8/30/2023 2:49 PM
One comment that I should have made about the aggregate team pitching stats. These stats assume all the (non mop-up) pitchers pitch the number of innings relative to their team total. A 400-inning pitcher will get 25% weight if their team total is 1600. 375-inning pitcher will get 25% weight if their team total is 1500.

In other words, teams with more innings will generally be ranked lower than teams with fewer innings. A team that only drafted 1550 of the best innings and did not supplement their staff with some lesser innings will look really good.

In a normal 120M league, my formula would only include a team's best 1400 innings to calculate the aggregate pitching numbers. But with the number of innings for each team all over the map, I wasn't sure how else to account for this. I could take the best 1650 innings, but what about teams with fewer? Do I apply a penalty?

Anyway, your ERC# might not look good (relative to the other teams), but if you drafted a lot of innings, you might be better off than a team that has a very good ERC# but didn't draft a lot of innings.

You don't want to be a team with a relatively poor ERC# combined with a low inning total and poor defense. That could be problematic.
8/30/2023 4:30 PM (edited)
Here is a list of all players selected at least 3 times. I didn't worry about if the year was different.
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Player____________ NL East__ NL Central NL West__ AL East__ AL Central AL
West__
Drafted Avg Pick
Ruth, Babe 3 3 10 1 2 1 6 3.3
Wagner, Honus 2 5 6 8 7 4 6 5.3
Johnson, Walter 9 2 8 5 5 6 6 5.8
Walsh, Ed 7 9 2 11 1 7 6 6.2
Connor, Roger 4 1 4 4 4 22 6 6.5
Cobb, Ty 13 10 1 3 10 5 6 7.0
Speaker, Tris 5 8 12 7 11 15 6 9.7
Delahanty, Ed 8 12 14 2 15 17 6 11.3
Hornsby, Rogers 6 7 13 27 9 16 6 13.0
Anson, Cap 1 4 24 47 26 34 6 22.7
DeGrom, Jacob 16 21 51 12 17 27 6 24.0
Brown, Mordecai 23 20 23 17 29 50 6 27.0
Gonsolin, Tony 19 34 45 19 35 12 6 27.3
Lajoie, Nap 41 48 15 28 38 31 6 33.5
Jackson, Joe 53 38 38 10 25 43 6 34.5
Cravath, Gavvy 28 72 85 76 27 35 6 53.8
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Baker, Frank 11 9 20 3 13 5 11.2
Williams, Ted 11 14 20 6 14 5 13.0
Kershaw, Clayton 20 13 15 18 25 5 18.2
Lamet, Dinelson 49 17 23 12 21 5 24.4
Mathewson, Christy 18 18 7 34 53 5 26.0
Hendrix, Claude 25 29 24 32 47 5 31.4
Martinez, Pedro 22 22 44 44 26 5 31.6
Ramsey, Toad 47 37 21 31 38 5 34.8
Bieber, Shane 69 15 34 45 29 5 38.4
Tulowitzki, Troy 44 66 56 19 10 5 39.0
Joyce, Bill 33 56 26 64 73 5 50.4
Musial, Stan 97 21 13 87 49 5 53.4
Williams, Ken 26 32 93 62 60 5 54.6
Sherriff, Ryan 44 80 59 66 97 5 69.2
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Alexander, Pete 6 14 21 2 4 10.8
Maddux, Greg 25 3 18 6 4 13.0
Clements, Jack 15 17 22 19 4 18.3
Brouthers, Dan 23 27 42 13 4 26.3
Milligan, Jocko 12 29 23 45 4 27.3
Kelly, King 47 16 5 48 4 29.0
Stirnweiss, Snuffy 27 22 24 74 4 36.8
Clase, Emmanuel 35 55 40 52 4 45.5
Sale, Chris 45 61 35 42 4 45.8
Adams, Babe 51 52 43 41 4 46.8
Pollet, Howie 55 71 77 36 4 59.8
Caminiti, Ken 93 30 51 76 4 62.5
Maddox, Nick 52 84 90 42 4 67.0
Treinen, Blake 82 97 67 54 4 75.0
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Jennings, Hughie 18 8 11 3 12.3
Cicotte, Eddie 10 26 22 3 19.3
Davis, George 29 24 16 3 23.0
Hamilton, Billy 24 31 16 3 23.7
Simmons, Al 19 37 28 3 28.0
Boggs, Wade 39 41 24 3 34.7
Niggeling, Johnny 35 50 30 3 38.3
Gonzalez, Victor 50 46 20 3 38.7
Schupp, Ferdie 21 28 81 3 43.3
Bernhard, Bill 40 57 34 3 43.7
Thompson, Sam 27 39 70 3 45.3
Rojas, Miguel 30 33 74 3 45.7
Hayes, Ke'Bryan 54 37 56 3 49.0
Hendriks, Liam 51 36 67 3 51.3
Foxx, Jimmie 59 26 76 3 53.7
Kolarek, Adam 71 52 50 3 57.7
Green, Chad 59 66 51 3 58.7
McQuillan, George 64 57 61 3 60.7
Quinn, Jack 56 70 63 3 63.0
Sanders, Ken 62 65 62 3 63.0
Rasmussen, Dennis 61 84 47 3 64.0
Verlander, Justin 71 53 73 3 65.7
Madson, Ryan 64 58 88 3 70.0
Hill, Rich 79 82 57 3 72.7
8/30/2023 6:56 PM (edited)
Posted by redcped on 8/30/2023 2:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Your catcher (Anson), first base (Sisler) & outfielder (Joe Jackson) hurt your fielding score.

Comparing your fielding scores to mine, just counting your 2B, 3B, SS, top 2 OF, you're 2 points better than me. But counting just C, 1B and third OF, I'm 12 points ahead of you.
I’m not sure how much Anson will hurt on defense. Base stealing shouldn’t be too big an issue, but he might make a couple extra errors and PB. Not using him before made him a small risk.

But otherwise yeah I accepted average defense at 1B where I think it’s less likely to cause issues and in LF, where I will probably play Heath over Jackson but I expect a few minus plays. I felt it was worth the offensive boosts, but I might have erred there.
There was an 86 Anson in my $255M Rd 1 league. He had 50-something passed balls in a 120 or so games at C. It looks like he platooned at DH vs lefties. So in a 162 games, you're looking at 60-70 passed balls. A D fielding catcher should only have about 10-15 all season. But that team finished first place, so perhaps it's not a big deal. When i saw Anson was being drafted so prolifically, I had to look him up. Passed balls don't show up in "performance history".
8/30/2023 4:49 PM
Just for fun, these were the earliest players drafted only once.
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Player________________ NL East__ NL Central NL West__ AL East__ AL Central AL West__ Drafted Avg Pick
Leonard, Dutch 3 1 3
Zimmerman, Heinie 16 1 16
Roush, Edd 28 1 28
Walker, Larry 28 1 28
Reulbach, Ed 31 1 31
Schmidt, Mike 31 1 31
Klein, Chuck 32 1 32
Seymour, Cy 33 1 33
Bonds, Barry 35 1 35
Browning, Pete 36 1 36
Wilson, Chief 36 1 36
Bailey, Andrew 37 1 37
Aurilia, Rich 39 1 39
Hand, Brad 39 1 39
Soto, Juan 39 1 39
Steele, Elmer 40 1 40
8/30/2023 6:56 PM (edited)
Posted by toysboys on 8/30/2023 4:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by redcped on 8/30/2023 2:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Your catcher (Anson), first base (Sisler) & outfielder (Joe Jackson) hurt your fielding score.

Comparing your fielding scores to mine, just counting your 2B, 3B, SS, top 2 OF, you're 2 points better than me. But counting just C, 1B and third OF, I'm 12 points ahead of you.
I’m not sure how much Anson will hurt on defense. Base stealing shouldn’t be too big an issue, but he might make a couple extra errors and PB. Not using him before made him a small risk.

But otherwise yeah I accepted average defense at 1B where I think it’s less likely to cause issues and in LF, where I will probably play Heath over Jackson but I expect a few minus plays. I felt it was worth the offensive boosts, but I might have erred there.
There was an 86 Anson in my $255M Rd 1 league. He had 50-something passed balls in a 120 or so games at C. It looks like he platooned at DH vs lefties. So in a 162 games, you're looking at 60-70 passed balls. A D fielding catcher should only have about 10-15 all season. But that team finished first place, so perhaps it's not a big deal. When i saw Anson was being drafted so prolifically, I had to look him up. Passed balls don't show up in "performance history".
Yuck. I was kind of afraid of that. But I saw someone took him first overall, and I think he went in every draft or close to it. So we might all pay the price. I used a Buck Ewing season once where he committed a ridiculous number of PB, and I swore never again. Ah well ...
8/30/2023 4:55 PM
Posted by redcped on 8/30/2023 2:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Your catcher (Anson), first base (Sisler) & outfielder (Joe Jackson) hurt your fielding score.

Comparing your fielding scores to mine, just counting your 2B, 3B, SS, top 2 OF, you're 2 points better than me. But counting just C, 1B and third OF, I'm 12 points ahead of you.
I’m not sure how much Anson will hurt on defense. Base stealing shouldn’t be too big an issue, but he might make a couple extra errors and PB. Not using him before made him a small risk.

But otherwise yeah I accepted average defense at 1B where I think it’s less likely to cause issues and in LF, where I will probably play Heath over Jackson but I expect a few minus plays. I felt it was worth the offensive boosts, but I might have erred there.
Interesting to see Anson was selected in all six drafts. I wonder if it was by six people who have never used him at catcher? Yes, he has extremely good normalized hitting and will make an excellent DH or first baseman.
But, speaking from experience of having used him at catcher, you will find he is a passed ball
machine. Imagine a real life Gary Sanchez with his arms amputated playing behind the plate.
And he’s not going to be a great influence on the club house either….
8/30/2023 5:04 PM
Sorry. Toysboys beat me to that analysis.
8/30/2023 5:06 PM
And I didn’t even draft a defensive replacement for him.
8/30/2023 5:11 PM
Posted by toysboys on 8/30/2023 4:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by redcped on 8/30/2023 2:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by schwarze on 8/30/2023 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Your catcher (Anson), first base (Sisler) & outfielder (Joe Jackson) hurt your fielding score.

Comparing your fielding scores to mine, just counting your 2B, 3B, SS, top 2 OF, you're 2 points better than me. But counting just C, 1B and third OF, I'm 12 points ahead of you.
I’m not sure how much Anson will hurt on defense. Base stealing shouldn’t be too big an issue, but he might make a couple extra errors and PB. Not using him before made him a small risk.

But otherwise yeah I accepted average defense at 1B where I think it’s less likely to cause issues and in LF, where I will probably play Heath over Jackson but I expect a few minus plays. I felt it was worth the offensive boosts, but I might have erred there.
There was an 86 Anson in my $255M Rd 1 league. He had 50-something passed balls in a 120 or so games at C. It looks like he platooned at DH vs lefties. So in a 162 games, you're looking at 60-70 passed balls. A D fielding catcher should only have about 10-15 all season. But that team finished first place, so perhaps it's not a big deal. When i saw Anson was being drafted so prolifically, I had to look him up. Passed balls don't show up in "performance history".
I took Anson in the last two $200M DEAL league drafts and had some success. I also had 86 and 87 passed balls. I knew what I was getting in to and, in the DEAL leagues, his offense made up for it. That said, it's rough losing a late lead due to a passed ball and it's not uncommon with Anson.
8/30/2023 5:17 PM
I will confirm that ledfoot’s Anson team not only swept my league leading squad out of the playoffs but also went on to win yet another DEAL championship. So my criticism is duly mitigated.
8/30/2023 5:51 PM
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