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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
I think this is a legit question for jrdx. 

How much of baseball is skill and how much is dumb luck?   Percentage-wise.
No idea.  To get to the major leagues? 99.9% skill.  0.01 percent luck.

Success once you're there?  Probably a lot more luck than anyone wants to admit.
6/25/2012 4:38 PM
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Posted by stinenavy on 6/25/2012 4:35:00 PM (view original):
So if according to jrd_x a pitcher can't control BABIP, wouldn't the same be true where a hitter can't control it either?

Rey Ordonez career BABIP is .273
Vladimir Guerrero career BABIP is .318

Obviously Rey Ordonez must have just been extremely unlucky.
Hitters can control it.  Good hitters almost always have a high BABIP.  The same is not true for pitchers.
6/25/2012 4:38 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:34:00 PM (view original):
I've already made the point that pitchers/hitters with high strikeout percentages are punished/rewarded in BABIP. 
Are strikeout pitchers punished in BABIP?
6/25/2012 4:40 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/25/2012 4:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:34:00 PM (view original):
I've already made the point that pitchers/hitters with high strikeout percentages are punished/rewarded in BABIP. 
Are strikeout pitchers punished in BABIP?

Are there a limited numbers of outs one can record in a game?

6/25/2012 4:41 PM
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Yes, but do high strikeout pitchers tend to have higher BABIPs?
6/25/2012 4:44 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/25/2012 4:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
I think this is a legit question for jrdx. 

How much of baseball is skill and how much is dumb luck?   Percentage-wise.
No idea.  To get to the major leagues? 99.9% skill.  0.01 percent luck.

Success once you're there?  Probably a lot more luck than anyone wants to admit.
I think this is the problem.

I see a pitcher go 8 innings, get 3 strikeouts, give up no runs and think "He must have been locating the ball well and keeping the hitters off balance by changing speeds."   You think "That's one lucky sonofabitch.   His defense saved his *** last night."
6/25/2012 4:45 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/25/2012 4:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
I think this is a legit question for jrdx. 

How much of baseball is skill and how much is dumb luck?   Percentage-wise.
No idea.  To get to the major leagues? 99.9% skill.  0.01 percent luck.

Success once you're there?  Probably a lot more luck than anyone wants to admit.
I think this is the problem.

I see a pitcher go 8 innings, get 3 strikeouts, give up no runs and think "He must have been locating the ball well and keeping the hitters off balance by changing speeds."   You think "That's one lucky sonofabitch.   His defense saved his *** last night."
Not necessarily.  If a guy was actually pitching well, then great.  But sometimes pitchers get lucky for an inning, or an entire game, or even an entire season.
6/25/2012 4:48 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/25/2012 4:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/25/2012 4:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
I think this is a legit question for jrdx. 

How much of baseball is skill and how much is dumb luck?   Percentage-wise.
No idea.  To get to the major leagues? 99.9% skill.  0.01 percent luck.

Success once you're there?  Probably a lot more luck than anyone wants to admit.
I think this is the problem.

I see a pitcher go 8 innings, get 3 strikeouts, give up no runs and think "He must have been locating the ball well and keeping the hitters off balance by changing speeds."   You think "That's one lucky sonofabitch.   His defense saved his *** last night."
Not necessarily.  If a guy was actually pitching well, then great.  But sometimes pitchers get lucky for an inning, or an entire game, or even an entire season.
Could it be possible that everything was working for them for that inning, game or season?  Maybe something clicked, maybe they were healthy, maybe they were mentally focused.   And maybe all of that went away after that inning, game or season.

What's the most important aspect of pitching?    Not counting luck, of course.
6/25/2012 4:51 PM
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I enjoy watching great baseball.  Especially pitching.  But I'm not dumb enough to stick my head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the fact that sometimes a pitcher can throw bad pitches and get hit hard for an entire game and still pitch 8 shutout innings.
6/25/2012 4:54 PM
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What's the most important aspect of pitching?    Not counting luck, of course.
6/25/2012 4:55 PM
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Let's go back to your strikeout pitchers punished in BABIP theory.  I mean, since you proved it already, I'm sure you won't mind explaining it to me.
6/25/2012 4:55 PM
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I'd much rather explore your thoughts on pitching outside of a stat sheet.   
 

What's the most important aspect of pitching?    Not counting luck, of course.

In case you haven't figured it out, I want to know if you know anything about baseball that wasn't written by someone who poured over stat after stat.
6/25/2012 5:00 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/25/2012 4:44:00 PM (view original):
Yes, but do high strikeout pitchers tend to have higher BABIPs?
But you still haven't answered this.  So I'll wait.
6/25/2012 5:01 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2012 5:00:00 PM (view original):

I'd much rather explore your thoughts on pitching outside of a stat sheet.   
 

What's the most important aspect of pitching?    Not counting luck, of course.

In case you haven't figured it out, I want to know if you know anything about baseball that wasn't written by someone who poured over stat after stat.
I think think it's interesting that you think pitching can be boiled down to one most important aspect.
6/25/2012 5:02 PM
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Get a Snickers.   I'll ask the questions, you can answer them or everyone will just assume you know nothing about baseball if it's not on a stat sheet.

Do you watch baseball?   Not just the playoffs or World Series.   Like a game in June between your team and maybe the Pirates or Royals.
6/25/2012 5:03 PM
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