Posted by jibe on 7/13/2012 6:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjurat on 7/13/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
OK, I for one would like all Elites to go-away, however what we have is what we have.  However, how about updating the current listing - specifically:

Removal of:

Penn State --- self-explanatory, especially in light of the recent independent report.  We wouldn't glorify other types of programs built on the ignoring the inexcusable (oh that German Army/Industry in the 40's was one of the best...)

Tennessee --- still trying to figure out how they made it in the first place

Based on this rational and that going in the other thread GD should just give Penn State the death penalty. Forget about elite status.

Based on the same rational every American of German, Italian and Japanese decent should be persecuted too.

Those people should be persecuted. And start with my neighbor, Giuseppe Von Yoshida.  Every day, same thing.  Tanning and then hanging out on the porch with his wiseguy friends wearing their Hello Kitty backpacks and blaring polka music. 

Posted by potter444 on 7/13/2012 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jibe on 7/13/2012 6:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjurat on 7/13/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):
OK, I for one would like all Elites to go-away, however what we have is what we have.  However, how about updating the current listing - specifically:

Removal of:

Penn State --- self-explanatory, especially in light of the recent independent report.  We wouldn't glorify other types of programs built on the ignoring the inexcusable (oh that German Army/Industry in the 40's was one of the best...)

Tennessee --- still trying to figure out how they made it in the first place

Based on this rational and that going in the other thread GD should just give Penn State the death penalty. Forget about elite status.

Based on the same rational every American of German, Italian and Japanese decent should be persecuted too.

Those people should be persecuted. And start with my neighbor, Giuseppe Von Yoshida.  Every day, same thing.  Tanning and then hanging out on the porch with his wiseguy friends wearing their Hello Kitty backpacks and blaring polka music. 

Posted by caesari on 7/13/2012 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Yeah Tennessee deservED to be on the list, but not anymore.

And Michigan deserves a good long look as well.

Posted by jibe on 7/13/2012 6:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by caesari on 7/13/2012 6:35:00 PM (view original):
That's a little much. While there are great traditions there, would you consider Army to be elite? I think they should be if Michigan remains.

They are a storied program, but the last few years no longer make them elite.

In the case of Army its far more than a few years.

Michigan had 3 or 4 mediocre years. Army has been a joke for 45 years or more.

Michigans's worst years would have been deemed a success at Army.

Posted by chaneyj2 on 7/13/2012 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rwings1927 on 7/13/2012 6:59:00 PM (view original):
My felings are that elite=a national following irregardless of recent history, now you look at a former elite school like UCLA that hasn't been relevant for decades then yes I would agree dropping them but nobody is there yet.

Notre Dame?

Posted by all2matt on 7/14/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
VaTech, WISCO, AND WVU have had the type of success the last 2 decades to warrant elite type status.  Tenn did have a great run in the late 90s along with FSU,  even though ND has been very average the last 18 yrs (?) since lou holtz,  they are an icon and i still hate them for that.

if only Iowa coulda beat the teams thye are supposed to (jNW, ISU, Minny, Indidna)  we could be lookin at iowa as 8/10 years in a BCS bowl or New Years day bowl.  i coulda then put the hawks up there and not got completely laughed out of the converation :-(  

Posted by ampipe100 on 7/13/2012 8:04:00 PM (view original):
I wish we didn't have elites at all.  This is GD dynasty where you build your own program.  A small group of people shouldn't get a built in advantage just because they were lucky enough to time things right and grab a certain school when it became available.

All DI schools should be on equal footing whether they are current BCS schools or come from conference USA.  1AA, DII and DIII don't have elites and those divisions work fine.  Northwest MIssouri State and Pittsburg State "two DII elites by anyones definition" can be good or terrible depending on the coach.  Same should hold true to Alabama, Notre Dame and USC, imo.  I think it would make the game better if UAB had just as much of a shot at a Natty as Ohio State does.

I know many will disagree and that's fine, I respect your opinions and your right to them, these are just my thoughts.