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I did really just read that a player with 630 career home runs, a .907 career OPS, and 10 GG's in CF should not be at the highest level?
meh. Griffey isnt a hill I’m interested in dying on but I do think he’s generally over-rated and, if Maddux isn’t in the top tier, Griffey shouldn’t be either.
Still would love to hear some kind of logic behind this, but I agree that Maddux belongs with the elite of elite as well.
He’s probably the 5th best CF of all time, 6th when Trout retires. I imagine the super elite tier is just the top 2 or 3 players at each position. Maybe top 10-15 for starting pitchers.
Meaning you rank both Griffey and Trout ahead of Tris Speaker?
No
Mays, Cobb, Speaker, Mantle
Griffey
Dimaggio
Trout tbd
Got it. Seems low for both Mantle and DiMaggio, but glad you have Speaker in the top 5.
I would probably move Mantle one spot up, ahead of Speaker. Would also be tempted to move Cobb ahead of Mays. But those are all incredibly subjective. Any time you try to compare a deadball guy to a post-deadball guy it's basically all conjecture. It's hard to compare guys with different kinds of skill sets, but even harder when there's such a marked difference in what a given skill set winds up looking like statistically. So whatever on the top 4. They probably are the right top 4, and most people would put Mays ahead of Mantle and Cobb ahead of Speaker. How you interact the deadball and post-deadball groups doesn't really matter that much.
I think DiMaggio should go ahead of Griffey, but his career was pretty short. Even if you give him credit for playing a full season every year he missed for military service he comes up 2000+ plate appearances behind Griffey. So there's that. I think, quite opposite of what somebody said yesterday, that if anything CF were so lionized for much of baseball history that now they may tend to be a little bit overrated. That comment referenced 3B, so I'll just say that there are several 3B I'd take ahead of either Griffey or DiMaggio. Mike Schmidt and Eddie Matthews at least. One could argue for Boggs or Chipper Jones. Although I will say if you want to give credit to DiMaggio for his war years - I always think it's dangerous to go down that road, because of things like injury what-ifs - you'd probably put him ahead of everybody on that list except Schmidt.