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Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
So what? Martinez isn't clairvoyant. He doesn't know ahead of time if this will be one if the 27% or one of the 73%. Short of a home run, all he can do is get on base and hope for the best. Getting on base, with a hit or a walk, helps the team.
Are you saying he's so dumb that he didn't realize he was ending a lot of innings standing on a bag?
2/10/2014 2:19 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 2/10/2014 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 12:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 12:37:00 PM (view original):
If Martinez was walked intentionally in that situation, are you thinking "good move?"
Let me piggyback on this.  Martinez batted .356 that year.  The guy on deck did not start, pinch ran earlier and batted .232 in 142 atbats in the regular season.  Why wasn't Edgar intentionally walked?
Tying run on third.  Winning run on first.

Conventional baseball wisdom says you don't intentionally move the winning run into scoring position.

That's why you don't intentionall walk him.
Right.  Because you're more likely to score runs when EM walks.  Walking is a good thing.

Moving on...
2/10/2014 2:20 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
So what? Martinez isn't clairvoyant. He doesn't know ahead of time if this will be one if the 27% or one of the 73%. Short of a home run, all he can do is get on base and hope for the best. Getting on base, with a hit or a walk, helps the team.
Are you saying he's so dumb that he didn't realize he was ending a lot of innings standing on a bag?
As opposed to ending them walking back to the dugout after making an out?

You. Are. Retarded.
2/10/2014 2:22 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Are they drawing walks because they are not being given good pitches to hit, or are they drawing walks because they are working the counts, taking strikes in the zone on their hopeful way to ball four?
Good question.  I don't know the answer.  Why are you so sure of the answer?
2/10/2014 2:22 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 2:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
So what? Martinez isn't clairvoyant. He doesn't know ahead of time if this will be one if the 27% or one of the 73%. Short of a home run, all he can do is get on base and hope for the best. Getting on base, with a hit or a walk, helps the team.
Are you saying he's so dumb that he didn't realize he was ending a lot of innings standing on a bag?
As opposed to ending them walking back to the dugout after making an out?

You. Are. Retarded.
Why does he have to walk or make an out?   Can't he hit at all?

Dumb. *******.  ***.
2/10/2014 2:23 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 1:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
He scores 27.5% of the time he's on base? How many times does he score when he's not on base?

Also, where are you finding these numbers?
Where are you finding these numbers?
2/10/2014 2:23 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Are they drawing walks because they are not being given good pitches to hit, or are they drawing walks because they are working the counts, taking strikes in the zone on their hopeful way to ball four?
All great hitters tend to work the count looking for a good pitch to hit.
2/10/2014 2:24 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Are they drawing walks because they are not being given good pitches to hit, or are they drawing walks because they are working the counts, taking strikes in the zone on their hopeful way to ball four?
Good question.  I don't know the answer.  Why are you so sure of the answer?
Because we have access to the stats.   He drew 300something walks on 3-0 counts.   So, for other 900+, he saw strikes.
2/10/2014 2:24 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Are they drawing walks because they are not being given good pitches to hit, or are they drawing walks because they are working the counts, taking strikes in the zone on their hopeful way to ball four?
Good question.  I don't know the answer.  Why are you so sure of the answer?
Because we have access to the stats.   He drew 300something walks on 3-0 counts.   So, for other 900+, he saw strikes.
You understand why players take strikes sometimes, right?  It's not always "i want to walk."  I don't understand you thinking Edgar Martinez wants to walk with runners in scoring position.  Do you know him?  Have you spoken with him and asked him?  
2/10/2014 2:26 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 1:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
He scores 27.5% of the time he's on base? How many times does he score when he's not on base?

Also, where are you finding these numbers?
Where are you finding these numbers?

Did you follow the thread at all?

Runs-homers divided by Hits-homers+walks+HBP.

2/10/2014 2:26 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 1:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
He scores 27.5% of the time he's on base? How many times does he score when he's not on base?

Also, where are you finding these numbers?
Where are you finding these numbers?

Did you follow the thread at all?

Runs-homers divided by Hits-homers+walks+HBP.

I haven't read all of your dumbassery, no.
2/10/2014 2:26 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 2:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
So what? Martinez isn't clairvoyant. He doesn't know ahead of time if this will be one if the 27% or one of the 73%. Short of a home run, all he can do is get on base and hope for the best. Getting on base, with a hit or a walk, helps the team.
Are you saying he's so dumb that he didn't realize he was ending a lot of innings standing on a bag?
As opposed to ending them walking back to the dugout after making an out?

You. Are. Retarded.
Why does he have to walk or make an out?   Can't he hit at all?

Dumb. *******.  ***.
Sure. Roughly 30% of the time it will be a hit. Want to guess where he will be standing after most of those hits? First base, the exact same place he winds up after a walk.

What the next hitter does or doesn't do is irrelevant when evaluating Martinez's performance.
2/10/2014 2:27 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Are they drawing walks because they are not being given good pitches to hit, or are they drawing walks because they are working the counts, taking strikes in the zone on their hopeful way to ball four?
Good question.  I don't know the answer.  Why are you so sure of the answer?
I'm not. 

But part of the argument is the implication that Mike and I are expecting EM to swing at pitches outside of the strike zone instead of walking.
2/10/2014 2:27 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 2:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 2:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/10/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):
The guys behind EM weren't very adept at scoring him.   27.5% of the time.    Didn't find anyone else less than 30.
So what? Martinez isn't clairvoyant. He doesn't know ahead of time if this will be one if the 27% or one of the 73%. Short of a home run, all he can do is get on base and hope for the best. Getting on base, with a hit or a walk, helps the team.
Are you saying he's so dumb that he didn't realize he was ending a lot of innings standing on a bag?
As opposed to ending them walking back to the dugout after making an out?

You. Are. Retarded.
Why does he have to walk or make an out?   Can't he hit at all?

Dumb. *******.  ***.
Sure. Roughly 30% of the time it will be a hit. Want to guess where he will be standing after most of those hits? First base, the exact same place he winds up after a walk.

What the next hitter does or doesn't do is irrelevant when evaluating Martinez's performance.
Only if you don't care about scoring runs.

Who do you want swinging the bat with RISP:   .320 hitter or .240 hitter?
2/10/2014 2:28 PM
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You actually ******* believe this.  For a little but I figured you guys were being hardcore trolls.  But wow.
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