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Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 9:04:00 AM (view original):
I am done debating with Tang. That dude has special problems. Out of touch with reality.

I'm pretty much done debating with all of you. You're not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours, so what is the point?

You ve changed my mind a few times

you mean like how you didn't think I was a traitor and now you do?? :)

Posted by laramiebob on 9/21/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):
On this one. I'm with BL. What He said. It's nearly spot on!

Sadly enough, I do too. I would be fine with tax cuts if spending cuts were made as well, but they weren't.

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 1:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.

Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.

No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.

Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 1:59:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.

Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.

No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.

Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

You are always wrong bad luck and I would politely debate you if you agree to apologize for being such a D*CK before and answering my questions with questions. Which, you did.

If you cannot apologize then I'll continue to mock you personally. Because you suck.

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 3:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 1:59:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.

Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.

No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.

Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

Jesus, maybe shoot alexjonesbukakisbenshapiro.com an email and let them know their numbers are out of date. The CBO rounds the outlays up to an even $4 trillion. Every other place lists actual outlays at $3.9 trillion.

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 3:00:00 PM (view original):
You are always wrong bad luck and I would politely debate you if you agree to apologize for being such a D*CK before and answering my questions with questions. Which, you did.

If you cannot apologize then I'll continue to mock you personally. Because you suck.

Telling people to **** off and saying that they suck isn't mocking them. Saying that I am a paperboy and work in a dying industry? That stings.

Also it's funny that you are pretending to be a macho tough guy yet you censor yourself. And capitalize your insults. It's like you are a second grader who just learned these words and you emphasize them to prove how much of a big boy you are.

Posted by tangplay on 9/21/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html

You realize the 1st sentence says "estimated", right? (Sorry for sounding like b_l.) Estimated percentages do not mean anyone "knows" anything. Even at the ridiculously low 10% figure that equates to $78 billion - with a B, of abuse. Don't think that's a problem?

Also, the points about abusing handouts is NOT linked to whether or not there is a balanced budget. People scamming the system because they don't want to work, or don't have to work because they're such good scammers, is a problem no matter what the budget situation.

The debate is intriguing EXCEPT the takers are always going to rationalize the irrational, and expect others to pay for their irrationality - all you need to do is look at every inner city to realize that some people are just to dumb to realize how dumb they are - SENSITIVITY ALERT.

I call it the "Detroit Syndrome" - but it applies everywhere - people going to the polls for decades upon decades voting for the same party - never realizing that their lives are in chaos, and blaming the "have" as if it's the "haves" fault that the complainers continue to do the very thing that resulted in the very problem they complain about!

But then, we have illegals doing the work Americans don't want to do because it's apparently beneath the dignity of the 100M+/- Americans on welfare to do whatever it takes to help their family - why do that when the gov't will offer you a pittance that keeps them forever indebted to the very welfare program they complain ows them more. Take about living in an upside-down world!

Of course, we've encroached upon a New America where able body Americans find novel ways to claim their disabled to avoid working - all the while "disabled Americans" - those that society says are disabled - are seeking employment. Again, living in an upside-down world.

These are the same people who claim Stormy Daniels is a victim - all the while she got paid (130,000) to do what she does for a living. Are you kidding me?

Posted by tangplay on 9/21/2018 3:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 3:00:00 PM (view original):
You are always wrong bad luck and I would politely debate you if you agree to apologize for being such a D*CK before and answering my questions with questions. Which, you did.

If you cannot apologize then I'll continue to mock you personally. Because you suck.

Telling people to **** off and saying that they suck isn't mocking them. Saying that I am a paperboy and work in a dying industry? That stings.

Also it's funny that you are pretending to be a macho tough guy yet you censor yourself. And capitalize your insults. It's like you are a second grader who just learned these words and you emphasize them to prove how much of a big boy you are.

I told bad luck to F off no one else and he deserves it. You saw rs come at me and I was very polite to him. Sorry the truth hurts but you don't listen to a damn word I say you just continue to preach your crazy rhetoric. Tell how this. Tell me how that. Tell me what do to.

Google stuff yourself. We are running a deficit, We need to cut costs. Entitlements are 66% of our mandatory spend. If you cannot figure out that we need to cut entitlements we need to discuss the Chiefs and Pats.

Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 3:09:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.

Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.

No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.

Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

Jesus, maybe shoot alexjonesbukakisbenshapiro.com an email and let them know their numbers are out of date. The CBO rounds the outlays up to an even $4 trillion. Every other place lists actual outlays at $3.9 trillion.

Budget request for FY2018. On March 16, 2017 President Trump submitted his request to Congress for $639 billion in military spending—$54 billion—which represents a 10 percent increase—for FY 2018 as well as $30 billion for FY2017 which ends in September.

Where did your $800Bn+ Number come from?

Posted by pennsylvania on 9/21/2018 3:52:00 PM (view original):
The debate is intriguing EXCEPT the takers are always going to rationalize the irrational, and expect others to pay for their irrationality - all you need to do is look at every inner city to realize that some people are just to dumb to realize how dumb they are - SENSITIVITY ALERT.

I call it the "Detroit Syndrome" - but it applies everywhere - people going to the polls for decades upon decades voting for the same party - never realizing that their lives are in chaos, and blaming the "have" as if it's the "haves" fault that the complainers continue to do the very thing that resulted in the very problem they complain about!

But then, we have illegals doing the work Americans don't want to do because it's apparently beneath the dignity of the 100M+/- Americans on welfare to do whatever it takes to help their family - why do that when the gov't will offer you a pittance that keeps them forever indebted to the very welfare program they complain ows them more. Take about living in an upside-down world!

I like the thinly-veiled racism. Interesting way to work into a debate about the federal budget.

I call it the "Kansas Syndrome" - but it applies everywhere - people going to the polls for decades upon decades and voting for the same party (the one that promises to protect them from brown people), never realizing that they're never going to make enough money by "pulling themselves up by the bootstraps" to benefit from the tax cuts their party supports, all while the school system falls apart and their infrastructure crumbles.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.

Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.

No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.

Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

Jesus, maybe shoot alexjonesbukakisbenshapiro.com an email and let them know their numbers are out of date. The CBO rounds the outlays up to an even $4 trillion. Every other place lists actual outlays at $3.9 trillion.

Budget request for FY2018. On March 16, 2017 President Trump submitted his request to Congress for $639 billion in military spending—$54 billion—which represents a 10 percent increase—for FY 2018 as well as $30 billion for FY2017 which ends in September.

Where did your $800Bn+ Number come from?

So we're just going to ignore the fact that your chart was completely wrong? OK.

You're forgetting the cost of wars, referred to in the budget as OCO.

DOD base budget actual spending in 2017 was $523.2B. Then you have the almost $200B OCO, defense spending totals $818B.
For 2018, the enacted budget has a base of $574.5B plus OCO of another $200B, totalling $874.4B

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Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.

Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.

Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.

No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.

Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

Jesus, maybe shoot alexjonesbukakisbenshapiro.com an email and let them know their numbers are out of date. The CBO rounds the outlays up to an even $4 trillion. Every other place lists actual outlays at $3.9 trillion.

Budget request for FY2018. On March 16, 2017 President Trump submitted his request to Congress for $639 billion in military spending—$54 billion—which represents a 10 percent increase—for FY 2018 as well as $30 billion for FY2017 which ends in September.

Where did your $800Bn+ Number come from?

So we're just going to ignore the fact that your chart was completely wrong? OK.

You're forgetting the cost of wars, referred to in the budget as OCO.

DOD base budget actual spending in 2017 was $523.2B. Then you have the almost $200B OCO, defense spending totals $818B.
For 2018, the enacted budget has a base of $574.5B plus OCO of another $200B, totalling $874.4B

Wars are not recurring. Well they are these days. So mine is wrong and yours is right? LMAO.

So you don't think we need to address entitlements? You want free healthcare for all? You think that the current welfare programs are run well. You think Medicaid is run well?