2016 Presidential Race Topic

Posted by The Taint on 4/10/2016 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Donald Trump’s effort to reset his campaign following defeat in Wisconsin showed no signs of paying off this weekend, as a series of technical failures by his campaign set his hopes back even further.

From Thursday to Saturday, Trump suffered setbacks in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, South Carolina and Indiana that raise new doubts about his campaign’s preparedness for the long slog of delegate hunting as the GOP race approaches a possible contested convention. He lost the battle on two fronts. Cruz picked up 28 pledged delegates in Colorado. In the other states, rival campaigns were able to place dozens of their own loyalists in delegate spots pledged to Trump on the first ballot. This will matter if Trump fails to win a majority of delegates on the first ballot in Cleveland, as his delegates defect once party rules allow them to choose the candidate they want to nominate.

Trump’s campaign mounted a haphazard campaign for delegates in Colorado, where hundreds ran to be at large representatives in Cleveland at the state convention in Colorado Springs. The frontrunner’s advisers repeatedly instructed supporters to vote for the wrong candidates—distributing the incorrect delegate numbers to supporters. Cruz, who traveled to address the convention, swept the state’s 34 delegates on the back of a disciplined organizing effort, that included text message and video displays advertising his preferred slate.

In an appearance on NBC’s Meet The Press, Paul Manafort, the DC lobbyist-turned Trump convention manager accused Cruz’s campaign of engaging in “Gestapo tactics” as it looks to use the party rules to its fullest advantage, before trying to brush off the series of defeats.

Manafort has been tasked with professionalizing the ad hoc Trump organization and refocusing it around winning delegates. It’s a task that in many states is already too little, too late, as Trump has sacrificed delegate slots to rivals due to a lackluster organizing, or just apathy.

In Indiana, which holds its primary next month, Trump suffered setbacks even before the first vote was cast. Party leaders met across the state on Saturday to select three delegates from each of the state’s nine congressional districts. Nearly all of those selected are expected to be solidly anti-Trump. While Trump’s campaign encouraged supporters to apply to become delegates, the process is run by the GOP establishment, which has not warmed to the front-runner.

“The way the system works is, there are people who are involved, people who are known quantities, and that makes them more likely candidates to get these appointments,” said Thomas John, the GOP chair for the state’s 7thcongressional district. State GOP leaders will select the statewide delegates at a meeting Tuesday, which is likely to have the same result.

In Iowa, where Cruz won the caucuses, he was able to pad his victory in the state’s district conventions by installing loyalists in all but one of the delegate slots up for grabs. Should the convention reach a second ballot, several delegates pledged to Trump would flip to Cruz.

And in South Carolina, where Trump swept the state’s 50 delegates, he lost five of six delegate slots.

It's not going to matter. He will pass on the 1st ballot. But Trump's 2nd ballot, if needed, will be predicated on the message he is spreading now... 'I win the popular vote and lose the delegates because of backroom politics?'. He'll be really close to 1237 if he misses on the first ballot... so he's appealing to the masses now, the mob mentality, so that anything other than a Trump win will be perceived as the Washington insiders/elite disrespecting the will of the people. Its quite brilliant actually... backs these delegates, and the establishment between a rock and a hard place.
4/10/2016 10:50 PM
Trump on Twitter:

I win a state in votes and then get non-representative delegates because they are offered all sorts of goodies by Cruz campaign. Bad system!

How is it possible that the people of the great State of Colorado never got to vote in the Republican Primary? Great anger - totally unfair!

The people of Colorado had their vote taken away from them by the phony politicians. Biggest story in politics. This will not be allowed!
4/10/2016 10:55 PM
^See where he is going here? And he already has almost 50% of the republican vote... which will increase after landslide wins in NY, PA, etc.
4/10/2016 10:56 PM

Donald Trump has warned Republican elites that his supporters know they are being 'disenfranchised' through the 'crooked shenanigans' of the GOP's delegate selection process.

'You know what? They're taking your vote away. They're disenfranchising people,' he said in between chants of 'USA!', 'we want Trump!' and 'build that wall!' among 10,000 fnas crammed into a private aviation hangar in Rochester, New York.

'I say this to the RNC and I say it to the Republican Party: You're going to have a big problem, folks, because the people don't like what's going on, Trump warned.

Trump had previously forecast 'riots' among the GOP's rank and file if he won more elected primary delegates than any other Republican candidate but were still denied the nomination.

'What we have going is a movement,' he said.

'Now, they're trying to subvert the movement. They can't do it with bodies. They can't do it with people because they don't have near the people that we have. So what they're trying to do is subvert the movement with crooked shenanigans. And we're just not going to let it happen.'

Trump said he 'should win' the Republican presidential nomination outright 'before we get to the convention' in July.

But on the heels of a series of statewide victories by his rival Ted Cruz that were the result of political arm-twisting, not ballot-casting, Trump appeared to be running out of patience.

One such state, Louisiana, saw the billionaire win unexpectedly by more than three per cent last month. But because Cruz's staffers showed up to take part in the Republican Party's post-election procedural wrangling, the Texas senator may go to the convention with more of the state's delegates than Trump.

'We've got a corrupt system,' Trump told supporters on Sunday.

'It's not right. We're supposed to be a democracy. We're supposed to be: You vote and the vote means something, all right? You vote, and the vote means something. And we've got to do something about it.'

'We should have won a long time ago but we keep losing where we're winning. Today winning votes doesn't mean anything,' he said.

4/10/2016 11:01 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 4/4/2016 7:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 4/4/2016 7:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 4/4/2016 7:13:00 PM (view original):
He's polling at roughly 50% in a proportional state, so you can estimate roughly 50% of the proportional delegates. I think 70 would be a good day for Trump in NY.
Not how it works. Look at Illinois where he got 38% of the vote.... And 53 of 69 delegates.
Every state has different rules. You can't just look at another state and guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pulls down 70 delegates from NY, but he isn't getting 90. 80 is an extreme long shot.
BL is probably wrong............................................ again.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/10/new-york-poll-lyin-ted-cruz-positioned-for-complete-delegate-shut-out-donald-trump-for-delegate-sweep/
4/10/2016 11:12 PM (edited)
I thought this Cruz guy was supposed to get a huge bounce from his huge win in Wisconsin?!?!?! Where's that bounce? 3rd place???
4/11/2016 12:49 AM
Posted by moy23 on 4/10/2016 11:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 4/4/2016 7:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 4/4/2016 7:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 4/4/2016 7:13:00 PM (view original):
He's polling at roughly 50% in a proportional state, so you can estimate roughly 50% of the proportional delegates. I think 70 would be a good day for Trump in NY.
Not how it works. Look at Illinois where he got 38% of the vote.... And 53 of 69 delegates.
Every state has different rules. You can't just look at another state and guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pulls down 70 delegates from NY, but he isn't getting 90. 80 is an extreme long shot.
BL is probably wrong............................................ again.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/10/new-york-poll-lyin-ted-cruz-positioned-for-complete-delegate-shut-out-donald-trump-for-delegate-sweep/
Trump would have to get a majority in every single district. That's unlikely.
4/11/2016 9:26 AM
If I said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me?
4/11/2016 5:47 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 4/10/2016 10:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 4/10/2016 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Donald Trump’s effort to reset his campaign following defeat in Wisconsin showed no signs of paying off this weekend, as a series of technical failures by his campaign set his hopes back even further.

From Thursday to Saturday, Trump suffered setbacks in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, South Carolina and Indiana that raise new doubts about his campaign’s preparedness for the long slog of delegate hunting as the GOP race approaches a possible contested convention. He lost the battle on two fronts. Cruz picked up 28 pledged delegates in Colorado. In the other states, rival campaigns were able to place dozens of their own loyalists in delegate spots pledged to Trump on the first ballot. This will matter if Trump fails to win a majority of delegates on the first ballot in Cleveland, as his delegates defect once party rules allow them to choose the candidate they want to nominate.

Trump’s campaign mounted a haphazard campaign for delegates in Colorado, where hundreds ran to be at large representatives in Cleveland at the state convention in Colorado Springs. The frontrunner’s advisers repeatedly instructed supporters to vote for the wrong candidates—distributing the incorrect delegate numbers to supporters. Cruz, who traveled to address the convention, swept the state’s 34 delegates on the back of a disciplined organizing effort, that included text message and video displays advertising his preferred slate.

In an appearance on NBC’s Meet The Press, Paul Manafort, the DC lobbyist-turned Trump convention manager accused Cruz’s campaign of engaging in “Gestapo tactics” as it looks to use the party rules to its fullest advantage, before trying to brush off the series of defeats.

Manafort has been tasked with professionalizing the ad hoc Trump organization and refocusing it around winning delegates. It’s a task that in many states is already too little, too late, as Trump has sacrificed delegate slots to rivals due to a lackluster organizing, or just apathy.

In Indiana, which holds its primary next month, Trump suffered setbacks even before the first vote was cast. Party leaders met across the state on Saturday to select three delegates from each of the state’s nine congressional districts. Nearly all of those selected are expected to be solidly anti-Trump. While Trump’s campaign encouraged supporters to apply to become delegates, the process is run by the GOP establishment, which has not warmed to the front-runner.

“The way the system works is, there are people who are involved, people who are known quantities, and that makes them more likely candidates to get these appointments,” said Thomas John, the GOP chair for the state’s 7thcongressional district. State GOP leaders will select the statewide delegates at a meeting Tuesday, which is likely to have the same result.

In Iowa, where Cruz won the caucuses, he was able to pad his victory in the state’s district conventions by installing loyalists in all but one of the delegate slots up for grabs. Should the convention reach a second ballot, several delegates pledged to Trump would flip to Cruz.

And in South Carolina, where Trump swept the state’s 50 delegates, he lost five of six delegate slots.

It's not going to matter. He will pass on the 1st ballot. But Trump's 2nd ballot, if needed, will be predicated on the message he is spreading now... 'I win the popular vote and lose the delegates because of backroom politics?'. He'll be really close to 1237 if he misses on the first ballot... so he's appealing to the masses now, the mob mentality, so that anything other than a Trump win will be perceived as the Washington insiders/elite disrespecting the will of the people. Its quite brilliant actually... backs these delegates, and the establishment between a rock and a hard place.
Trump, not smart enough to figure out Colorado's delegate selection process, claims he can renegotiate all our trade deals and redo Medicare.

Riiiiiiight.
4/11/2016 6:33 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 4/11/2016 6:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 4/10/2016 10:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 4/10/2016 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Donald Trump’s effort to reset his campaign following defeat in Wisconsin showed no signs of paying off this weekend, as a series of technical failures by his campaign set his hopes back even further.

From Thursday to Saturday, Trump suffered setbacks in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, South Carolina and Indiana that raise new doubts about his campaign’s preparedness for the long slog of delegate hunting as the GOP race approaches a possible contested convention. He lost the battle on two fronts. Cruz picked up 28 pledged delegates in Colorado. In the other states, rival campaigns were able to place dozens of their own loyalists in delegate spots pledged to Trump on the first ballot. This will matter if Trump fails to win a majority of delegates on the first ballot in Cleveland, as his delegates defect once party rules allow them to choose the candidate they want to nominate.

Trump’s campaign mounted a haphazard campaign for delegates in Colorado, where hundreds ran to be at large representatives in Cleveland at the state convention in Colorado Springs. The frontrunner’s advisers repeatedly instructed supporters to vote for the wrong candidates—distributing the incorrect delegate numbers to supporters. Cruz, who traveled to address the convention, swept the state’s 34 delegates on the back of a disciplined organizing effort, that included text message and video displays advertising his preferred slate.

In an appearance on NBC’s Meet The Press, Paul Manafort, the DC lobbyist-turned Trump convention manager accused Cruz’s campaign of engaging in “Gestapo tactics” as it looks to use the party rules to its fullest advantage, before trying to brush off the series of defeats.

Manafort has been tasked with professionalizing the ad hoc Trump organization and refocusing it around winning delegates. It’s a task that in many states is already too little, too late, as Trump has sacrificed delegate slots to rivals due to a lackluster organizing, or just apathy.

In Indiana, which holds its primary next month, Trump suffered setbacks even before the first vote was cast. Party leaders met across the state on Saturday to select three delegates from each of the state’s nine congressional districts. Nearly all of those selected are expected to be solidly anti-Trump. While Trump’s campaign encouraged supporters to apply to become delegates, the process is run by the GOP establishment, which has not warmed to the front-runner.

“The way the system works is, there are people who are involved, people who are known quantities, and that makes them more likely candidates to get these appointments,” said Thomas John, the GOP chair for the state’s 7thcongressional district. State GOP leaders will select the statewide delegates at a meeting Tuesday, which is likely to have the same result.

In Iowa, where Cruz won the caucuses, he was able to pad his victory in the state’s district conventions by installing loyalists in all but one of the delegate slots up for grabs. Should the convention reach a second ballot, several delegates pledged to Trump would flip to Cruz.

And in South Carolina, where Trump swept the state’s 50 delegates, he lost five of six delegate slots.

It's not going to matter. He will pass on the 1st ballot. But Trump's 2nd ballot, if needed, will be predicated on the message he is spreading now... 'I win the popular vote and lose the delegates because of backroom politics?'. He'll be really close to 1237 if he misses on the first ballot... so he's appealing to the masses now, the mob mentality, so that anything other than a Trump win will be perceived as the Washington insiders/elite disrespecting the will of the people. Its quite brilliant actually... backs these delegates, and the establishment between a rock and a hard place.
Trump, not smart enough to figure out Colorado's delegate selection process, claims he can renegotiate all our trade deals and redo Medicare.

Riiiiiiight.
Maybe it was deliberate..... Makes for a great 'ted cruz = political insider' spin where the people don't have a voice because Lyin' Ted is playing politics. Remember Trump is smarter than you and me. He's taken out the Pope, Jorge Ramos, Mitt Romney, Little Marco, Rick Perry, Jeb Bush, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, etc....
4/11/2016 6:57 PM
Posted by DougOut on 4/11/2016 6:18:00 PM (view original):
As a flyers fan.... A bit of a bittersweet weekend. Hello Playoffs.... RIP Ed Snider.
4/11/2016 7:00 PM
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