Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 4:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by alleyviper on 5/8/2015 4:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 3:57:00 PM (view original):
The best drafted player, using his currents, can easily be found at the end of FA.  It's not a viable strategy.   I doubt anyone who knows what they're doing uses it.

That guy found at the end of FA is a 33-year old journeyman who's not going to grow, however. If people knew they could find that 33-year old journeyman and plug him right into their lineup, only he's 23 and is going to grow another 10-15 points across the board, we may see it done more frequently.

If you're looking for someone to develop, you sign the 33 y/o journeyman for 1 season(or pull him from your minors).

You put the 23 y/o in the minors for a season or two, let him develop, get three seasons of minimum wage, 2 arbs and sign him to a LT until he's 33.   Much more efficient way to do business.

And that's what people do.

Posted by alleyviper on 5/8/2015 4:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 4:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by alleyviper on 5/8/2015 4:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 3:57:00 PM (view original):
The best drafted player, using his currents, can easily be found at the end of FA.  It's not a viable strategy.   I doubt anyone who knows what they're doing uses it.

That guy found at the end of FA is a 33-year old journeyman who's not going to grow, however. If people knew they could find that 33-year old journeyman and plug him right into their lineup, only he's 23 and is going to grow another 10-15 points across the board, we may see it done more frequently.

If you're looking for someone to develop, you sign the 33 y/o journeyman for 1 season(or pull him from your minors).

You put the 23 y/o in the minors for a season or two, let him develop, get three seasons of minimum wage, 2 arbs and sign him to a LT until he's 33.   Much more efficient way to do business.

And that's what people do.

Or maybe I'm trying to keep money aside so that I can have that little bit extra to chase an IFA. Or I want that money to go after a max contract guy. Or any other budget concerns that I may have. The 1-2m it costs me at the end of FA to sign a guy could make the difference in some other endeavor, where the minimum salary I'm paying the guy I just drafted last season helps me bridge that gap. To say nothing about the fact that putting a guy straight to the bigs gets them right to the best coach you have in the org, which we all know is the best way to engender player growth. Would I rather just call a guy up that I've got stashed in the minors instead of burning a young guy's service time? Of course, but that option isn't always going to be there (and if you've typically got a cadre of guys stashed in the minors who you are comfortable using for extended periods of time in case of injury, I'd suggest that there may be some flaws in your worlds that need to be examined).

There are more ways to play the game than the accepted ideal, to say nothing about people who may want to tinker with what the best way to play is and find a new ideal. Maybe you think it's a foolish strategy to look at the draft as a way to supplement the big league club but others may want to give it a try, or may even already be doing it, and that's their right.

Nonetheless, removing current ratings for prospects is something that completely removes that possibility. The pros may certainly outweigh the cons - unless more radical changes are made than what have been proposed I would frankly argue that they actually do - but it would be nice to at least consider keeping current ratings and exploring other solutions because there are indeed other consequences beyond just the implications for those who 0 out their draft budgets.

This is what works for me:

The changes bring something fresh to the game.   There are no gameplay changes.   That guy you drafted in S22 is still holds the same value on 5/26 as he does today.   That 40 homer guy you traded for is not becoming a 22 homer guy on 5/26.   These changes affect the players you WILL acquire.   You might know a little less about them but they will be your players.   And, as they develop, you'll have to figure out how to best utilize them.   Even if you hate what happens on 5/26, it doesn't change your team.    It might change your plans but what you've done for the last 10 seasons will not be lost.   So, really, we just have to figure out how to best move forward with new player acquisitions.   

I see nothing wrong with that.

Posted by gdmetz on 5/8/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):
"Just wait until midseason, and if a guy had improved by 6 points in each category, you can figure that he'll still have quite a bit of improvement to do. Conversely, if a guy's contact rating has only jumped from 51 to 53, he's probably not getting much better."

If development works the way it does now, then sure.  It seems like that might not be the case. 

Posted by arcticlegend on 5/8/2015 5:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gdmetz on 5/8/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):
"Just wait until midseason, and if a guy had improved by 6 points in each category, you can figure that he'll still have quite a bit of improvement to do. Conversely, if a guy's contact rating has only jumped from 51 to 53, he's probably not getting much better."

If development works the way it does now, then sure.  It seems like that might not be the case. 

True. If they actually change the patterns by which prospects develop, that would be a big change. I suppose I will take at least a couple seasons before we truly know if this is the case.

Posted by tenaciousdx on 5/8/2015 5:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by arcticlegend on 5/8/2015 5:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gdmetz on 5/8/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):
"Just wait until midseason, and if a guy had improved by 6 points in each category, you can figure that he'll still have quite a bit of improvement to do. Conversely, if a guy's contact rating has only jumped from 51 to 53, he's probably not getting much better."

If development works the way it does now, then sure.  It seems like that might not be the case. 

True. If they actually change the patterns by which prospects develop, that would be a big change. I suppose I will take at least a couple seasons before we truly know if this is the case.

This is the only part that bothers me.  The rate and pattern that players develop is easy to figure currently.  If it changes into a crapshoot (i.e., randomness), then this game becomes a farce like GD (hence, why I quit playing GD)

Posted by tenaciousdx on 5/8/2015 5:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by arcticlegend on 5/8/2015 5:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gdmetz on 5/8/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):
"Just wait until midseason, and if a guy had improved by 6 points in each category, you can figure that he'll still have quite a bit of improvement to do. Conversely, if a guy's contact rating has only jumped from 51 to 53, he's probably not getting much better."

If development works the way it does now, then sure.  It seems like that might not be the case. 

True. If they actually change the patterns by which prospects develop, that would be a big change. I suppose I will take at least a couple seasons before we truly know if this is the case.

This is the only part that bothers me.  The rate and pattern that players develop is easy to figure currently.  If it changes into a crapshoot (i.e., randomness), then this game becomes a farce like GD (hence, why I quit playing GD)

Posted by jc44 on 5/8/2015 5:29:00 PM (view original):
The part that worries me is if ADV scouting goes from almost 0 meaning to being very important but you can still only move +4 at a time they are making it to where if you`ve only invested a couple seasons in your team or if your looking at a rebuild it`s better to drop your team and start with a new one at 14 ADV than spending 3 seasons just to get to 12.If the difference really is meaningful then it should be reset to 10 and let us decide between 6-14 to start.

Posted by jc44 on 5/8/2015 5:29:00 PM (view original):
The part that worries me is if ADV scouting goes from almost 0 meaning to being very important but you can still only move +4 at a time they are making it to where if you`ve only invested a couple seasons in your team or if your looking at a rebuild it`s better to drop your team and start with a new one at 14 ADV than spending 3 seasons just to get to 12.If the difference really is meaningful then it should be reset to 10 and let us decide between 6-14 to start.