First 28 games revert to previous season.   Bonus for tankers in the season before you started this project.   I'd take the worst team out there if I were playing.   A) they might not have 20 worth keeping  B) I'll have first shot at the FOUR players who had to be waived. 

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2015 11:29:00 AM (view original):

First 28 games revert to previous season.   Bonus for tankers in the season before you started this project.   I'd take the worst team out there if I were playing.   A) they might not have 20 worth keeping  B) I'll have first shot at the FOUR players who had to be waived. 

Posted by alogman1 on 1/7/2015 11:27:00 AM (view original):
that potentially could punish honest mistakes.  say it was an honest error, a last minute signing of a stud max contract player, and you still had 20 on the 40 man.  You certainly can't ask that owner to release the max player, it would destroy the franchise payroll wise for the next five seasons.  If you DFA him, he could get claimed, he could not, make the penalty drastically different in each scenario.  

I think my suggestion about having them DFA the numbers of players over works, not necessarily the unassigned guys, with recourse to take action against repeat offenders built in.

Posted by shobob on 1/7/2015 11:12:00 AM (view original):
Ok, so 20 is the min we can ask people to go down to.  Fine.  That leaves us with needing a rule to enforce.  Tecwrg has laid out the means for monitoring compliance, and foulballz has given us a means of punishing without kicking people out.  Next item on the agenda:  How EXACTLY is this rule going to be worded?

Posted by tecwrg on 1/7/2015 11:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shobob on 1/7/2015 11:12:00 AM (view original):
Ok, so 20 is the min we can ask people to go down to.  Fine.  That leaves us with needing a rule to enforce.  Tecwrg has laid out the means for monitoring compliance, and foulballz has given us a means of punishing without kicking people out.  Next item on the agenda:  How EXACTLY is this rule going to be worded?

I think there's still a problem.  Or at least something that needs to be pointed out so that everybody understands.

You cannot go below 20 players on the ML roster after arbitration day.  Let's say you're right at 20.  Anybody you sign to an LT contract during FA will NEED to be assigned to the ML roster, and somebody else already on the ML roster (with no future seasons on their contract) will need to be DFA'd. Otherwise, if you already have 20 on your ML roster, and an unassigned LT guy, you're out of compliance with the rule.

This also means that you cannot have anybody in your minors on the 40.  If you have a stud prospect in the minors on the 40 that you don't want to lose, you HAVE to put him on your ML roster and DFA somebody else.

Everybody needs to understand the implications of that.  The 20 man minimum of the ML roster after arbitration day is going to be very restrictive.

Posted by shobob on 1/7/2015 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 1/7/2015 11:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shobob on 1/7/2015 11:12:00 AM (view original):
Ok, so 20 is the min we can ask people to go down to.  Fine.  That leaves us with needing a rule to enforce.  Tecwrg has laid out the means for monitoring compliance, and foulballz has given us a means of punishing without kicking people out.  Next item on the agenda:  How EXACTLY is this rule going to be worded?

I think there's still a problem.  Or at least something that needs to be pointed out so that everybody understands.

You cannot go below 20 players on the ML roster after arbitration day.  Let's say you're right at 20.  Anybody you sign to an LT contract during FA will NEED to be assigned to the ML roster, and somebody else already on the ML roster (with no future seasons on their contract) will need to be DFA'd. Otherwise, if you already have 20 on your ML roster, and an unassigned LT guy, you're out of compliance with the rule.

This also means that you cannot have anybody in your minors on the 40.  If you have a stud prospect in the minors on the 40 that you don't want to lose, you HAVE to put him on your ML roster and DFA somebody else.

Everybody needs to understand the implications of that.  The 20 man minimum of the ML roster after arbitration day is going to be very restrictive.

It's my understanding that you should be able to DFA (WITH WAIVERS) anyone, LT or not.  The rule about unassigned players is to prevent people from hiding talent from being redistributed.  If  a LT contract guy is DFAd with waivers, he's on the waiver wire, and is not hidden.  Is there something I'm missing here?