Romney/Ryan Topic

The Dems have entered pretzel territory with their arguments re Mitt and taxes.  It's hysterical.

PS: The Biden's and the Obama's are greedy bastards who don't like to give to charity.

9/25/2012 9:59 AM
Posted by seamar_116 on 9/23/2012 10:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 9/23/2012 1:10:00 AM (view original):
Why in the world would a guy not claim all the deductions available to him on his tax returns?  Patriotism?
But if he paid more taxes than he was legally obligated to pay he would not be "qualified" to be president. Wait a minute...did not someone say that awhile back????
This is possibly the biggest technicality argument ever.

The fact that the left is floating this is truly sad.

Romney has always considered charity an obligation. He give away more every year than most people make in a lifetime. No prodding, he just does it.

Obama doesnt believe in charity. He wants your money and wants him and other government agents to determine what is important in the world

We need more Romneys and less Obama's because Romney is a better person.
9/25/2012 7:36 PM
Donations to churches shouldn't be tax deductable. 
9/25/2012 10:33 PM

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney saved about $$850,000 on his 2011 taxes, thanks to the Republican presidential candidate's controversial retirement package with Bain Capital that decreased his overall tax bill by a third.

According to the tax return released on Friday, Romney paid about $1.9 million in taxes on income of $13.7 million in 2011. Romney's income includes $6.8 million in capital gains, $3.6 million in dividends, $260,390 in directors fees, and $190,350 in speaking fees. He listed no income from wages, salaries or tips.

But much of Romney's capital gains income flowed from his retirement package at Bain Capital, the private equity giant he founded, which granted him an extremely lucrative and unconventional deal upon his departure. Although most former financiers must pay ordinary income taxes on retirement income, Bain allowed Romney to receive his payments as "carried interest" -- a special tax category reserved for those who actively manage investment funds.

Romney's 2011 return does not detail the amount of income he received in carried interest, but his campaign told HuffPost the amount is $5.5 million. When Romney released his 2010 tax return in January of this year, his campaign noted that the candidate reaped $7.4 million in carried interest income during 2010.

Carried interest income qualifies as a capital gain, making it eligible for a 15 percent
tax rate -- far more favorable than the 35 percent rate that the wealthiest American taxpayers must pony up on ordinary income. Capital gains are one of the most lucrative tax breaks in the tax code for the rich -- 50 percent of all capital gains go to the wealthiest 0.1 percent of taxpayers, according to The Washington Post.

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Recording this $5.5 million as carried interest rather than ordinary income saved Romney $147,000 in self-employment taxes including Medicare and Social Security, plus additional savings of more than $700,000 in income taxes.

 


"He followed the law, and paid 100 percent of what he owes under the law," a Romney spokesman said.

While the special treatment the tax code affords to capital gains is a subject of heated debate among economists, carried interest is even more aggressively disputed. Under the carried interest scheme, fund managers receive a cut of an investment portfolio's gains as their compensation, rather than a simple cash fee for overseeing trades. Although advocates for this lucrative tax arrangement insist that it rewards investment companies for taking risks, managers may put little capital -- if any -- into the investment fund, making many experts question why managers should receive the same tax benefits as those who have actually put their own money at risk.

None of the arguments that apply to fund managers are relevant to Romney's retirement package, however. Romney has repeatedly stated that he is not playing any active role in Bain's current investment strategies.

"One of the justifications for the lower capital gains rate is that they encourage people to take risks," noted Rebecca Wilkins, senior counsel for federal tax policy at Citizens for Tax Justice. "But he only has the upside on these deals. If he walks away, he hasn't lost any money. Even if you buy the arguments about why there should be a lower capital gains rate, there's really no justification for this compensation being taxed as capital gains. This is just payment for their services. They haven't taken any risk, they haven't put up any capital."
 

9/25/2012 10:41 PM
9/26/2012 10:09 AM
9/26/2012 11:04 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Obama is losing!

And how can someone so smart be so bad at being a President?
9/26/2012 11:47 AM
Posted by The Taint on 9/23/2012 1:04:00 AM (view original):
Oh yeah, I doubt if you reversed the set up, the same thing wouldn't happen.  People are stupid all over, regardless of party affiliation.
I'm sure there are ignorant people on both sides. But there seem to be a lot more morons supporting Obama. How the hell do you not know Osama is dead? And I doubt many Republican supporters think Obamas white.
9/26/2012 12:28 PM
But there seem to be a lot more morons supporting Obama.

Maybe swampy can go to a mall and verify this statement.
9/26/2012 12:37 PM
Posted by Jtpsops on 9/26/2012 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 9/23/2012 1:04:00 AM (view original):
Oh yeah, I doubt if you reversed the set up, the same thing wouldn't happen.  People are stupid all over, regardless of party affiliation.
I'm sure there are ignorant people on both sides. But there seem to be a lot more morons supporting Obama. How the hell do you not know Osama is dead? And I doubt many Republican supporters think Obamas white.
Actually the left seems to think some peopl dont know Obama is black.

Otherwise why would we need "Dog Whistle" comments to get racists to vote for us?
9/26/2012 1:15 PM
9/26/2012 3:58 PM

This morning I heard a Romney surrogate (it was insanely early for me, so I’ve forgotten who) on some MSNBC show (it was insanely early for me, so I forgot which one) say that his candidate’s next move is to show voters who he really is, that they need to get to know him better, see who Willard M. Romney is up close and personal.

He also said that the debates are the point at which the campaign really begins, when people really start paying attention. (Funny I could’ve sworn they said the same thing about the conventions.)

Seriously. He said that.

Seriously. He said that only 40 days before the election.

Seriously. He said that with early voting already underway in some states.

Seriously.

He tried to pitch this: Because until the debates next week nobody will really be paying attention, and because we simply don’t know who Mitt the Man is yet, and because we don’t yet understand how cool a guy he is, that’s why all those fake polls show President Obama consistently winning.

But see, according to Mr. Surrogate, we’d fall all over ourselves to put a big fat check mark on the ballot next to Romney’s name if only we were finally, finally, finally introduced to the man behind the robot who’s been running for president since the year eighteen aught two.

This is the kind of rationalizing Republicans are resorting to because they know their candidate is the loseriest of losers who nobody likes and who can’t go a day without lying, Etch A Sketching, avoiding, and generally humiliating himself.

So yes. He seriously said all that, because that’s all they’ve got.

9/26/2012 4:09 PM
Do we know who Obama is?
9/26/2012 7:08 PM
I saw the movie 2016. Most of the stuff I already knew but I did learn some important new things which helped explain Obama to me.

I had no Idea how many brothers and sisters and step this and that he had. It had to be confusing for a young boy.

I had no idea how many years he spent away from America. Formative years. And who he spent them with.

Although I knew his dad was an American hating commie, I had no idea how nuts his mom was. That's gotta hurt a kid.

Not that it matters. He threw her under the bus 4 years ago with Rev. Wright. 

And yet he grew up rich and privileged. But that's not the lie we were told at the DNC convention.

We were told he was poor. Hole in the floorboard of the car. Shoes one size too small and a table saved from a dumpster.

There are truth and lies to the story. It's time to investigate.

9/26/2012 8:11 PM
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