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I will be totally honest, I am not sure warehousing has that much to do with it, I warehoused 12 players for seasons and I still have not won a cup, Vicpat has figured out a combo that works but is that because of warehousing or because he has figured out a system? As far as Rammers he is also a great manager and knows what works, but for all of Vicpat's trips to the finals he has lost a lot of finals as well. How did those other teams beat him? I think a lot of this frustration comes from owners losing to Vicpat all the time? Isn't that true? Yogs do you not have any players warehoused too? I cannot believe that you have been in the top teams in your conference every year with bad draft positions and still done so well? I think we need to stop pointing fingers at certain owners as "using some loophole" when we all have had acess to it and we all use it to some degree.

This will be my last post but I really don't feel a lot needs to be done. Maybe if teams had some losing seasons and built through the draft the way Blee did they would do better. I am well aware that Blee lost to Rammers but this was his first season after 3 missed playoff years and he was by far the best team in the conference, and I believe he will be one of the strongest teams over the next five or six seasons ...just wait and see.

Brendan, I am not singling out your team just saying although you lost in this seasons playoff your team is only going to be better next year, and lets face it when you are playing Rammers and Dan every year they are two of the top managers here
5/14/2010 8:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By damag on 5/14/2010
I think what we can say happened is this: when we switched to the current game engine, we got every improvement to this league that we hoped for.
We also saw that the ratings of the players mattered more than they had during the "dead puck era." The best teams won more often. Rebuilding teams took bad beatings. The finals stopped being 5 seeds against 7 seeds. Team which played their best rosters racked up deserved totals.

During the dead puck era, we all knew owners who warehoused, ran max playoff teams... most of us took a shot at it ourselves... but there was no proven benefit, so it wasn't worth complaining about. The first time I realized another owner was over-warehousing, I mentioned it to a fellow owner in private, and received no response. The owner in question never won a cup. It wasn't an issue.

Now that the ratings matter more than they used to, warehousing works. It's been proven. So now let's fix it.

Well said damag!

In dead puck era season 4-15, I think most of us warehoused because we got attached to our beloved cyber athletes. We warehoused them to stay in the game longer, and used them in playoffs, but their attributes didn't seem to matter much. There was some hidden factor making a not so hot rookie or a random average 3rd season guy come up with a monster shooting/scoring season.

When switching to the new engine from season 16, it was clear (and a nice surprise!) that attributes seems to matter more than in the past, not only some cool numbers on paper anymore. So the GMs still holding onto our beloved oldies, at that point, had a more sollid veteran base going into the current era.

"Now that the ratings matter more than they used to, warehousing works. It's been proven. So now let's fix it."
5/15/2010 5:32 AM
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5/15/2010 7:56 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By corbs1019 on 5/14/2010

I think a lot of this frustration comes from owners losing to Vicpat all the time? Isn't that true? I think we need to stop pointing fingers at certain owners as "using some loophole" when we all have had acess to it and we all use it to some degree.

My only frustration is that this is a great league with an issue facing it that needs to be addressed, as we have done in the past. You guys all know from my posts that I am a big vicpat fan, I play in the same division with him, I beat him my fair share, and I know exactly how good a manager he is. Never said he and rammers aren't two of the the best, fact is the records say they are and I do too.

Re-stating my earlier point - it's not exactly the warehousing that's the issue. Switching in a playoff lineup is. It used to be something you could try if you wanted, but you didn't know for sure that it would make your team better. Now we've all seen that it makes every one of our teams better, whether we're the winners or the losers. It's become accepted practice now. The question before us is, wouldn't we all rather not do it?

5/15/2010 9:10 AM
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5/16/2010 2:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By damag on 5/15/2010
Re-stating my earlier point - it's not exactly the warehousing that's the issue. Switching in a playoff lineup is. It used to be something you could try if you wanted, but you didn't know for sure that it would make your team better. Now we've all seen that it makes every one of our teams better, whether we're the winners or the losers. It's become accepted practice now. The question before us is, wouldn't we all rather not do it?



I couldn't agree more. I feel it's complete BS to completely change over your roster to make a playoff run, and yes it's happened to me (on more than 1 occasion) and it did **** me off. It's completely taken the realism of this league away, and I too have considered walking away from the MLD because of it.

I know there are a lot of really good GMs here, and I enjoy the challenge of facing them. I would however like to see a more leval playing field. Do we honestly think we'd have a 70 win team if everyone played their 100 stat guys all season? I don't think we'd see it, but that's just my opinion.
5/16/2010 5:29 PM
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Indy retirements:

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5/17/2010 11:15 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By big_drive on 5/16/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By damag on 5/15/2010

Re-stating my earlier point - it's not exactly the warehousing that's the issue. Switching in a playoff lineup is. It used to be something you could try if you wanted, but you didn't know for sure that it would make your team better. Now we've all seen that it makes every one of our teams better, whether we're the winners or the losers. It's become accepted practice now. The question before us is, wouldn't we all rather not do it?



I couldn't agree more. I feel it's complete BS to completely change over your roster to make a playoff run, and yes it's happened to me (on more than 1 occasion) and it did **** me off. It's completely taken the realism of this league away, and I too have considered walking away from the MLD because of it.

I know there are a lot of really good GMs here, and I enjoy the challenge of facing them. I would however like to see a more leval playing field. Do we honestly think we'd have a 70 win team if everyone played their 100 stat guys all season? I don't think we'd see it, but that's just my opinion.



I also agree with this opinion.

I haven't (so far) warehoused my players just to improve them, although I did switch my back-up goalie down to the minors after he passed 20 games, in a failed attempt to improve him.

What I enjoy most about the dynasty games is that (1) the players improve, (2) you CAN build a dynasty, and (3) you will lose the players you have after a period of time. Much more realistic.

I do think we have imposed a certain amout of realism into a game that wasn't originally designed to be realistic. These players were never designed to be more than filler players.

5/17/2010 4:25 PM
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I don't think wharehousing is an issue. We all do it to some degree.

I think the issue is teams loading up in the playoffs. If we change it so that a player has to have played 20 games to be eligible for the playoffs it will also reduce wharehousing. It will force some managers to play their best lineup in the regular season.
5/17/2010 7:05 PM
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As long as we account for injuries, I have no problem with that



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5/17/2010 8:25 PM
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5/17/2010 10:08 PM
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5/18/2010 9:09 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By corbs1019 on 5/14/2010

This will be my last post but I really don't feel a lot needs to be done. Maybe if teams had some losing seasons and built through the draft the way Blee did they would do better. I am well aware that Blee lost to Rammers but this was his first season after 3 missed playoff years and he was by far the best team in the conference, and I believe he will be one of the strongest teams over the next five or six seasons ...just wait and see.

Brendan, I am not singling out your team just saying although you lost in this seasons playoff your team is only going to be better next year, and lets face it when you are playing Rammers and Dan every year they are two of the top managers here

My team should be pretty good the next couple of seasons with only 1 retirement this season. I did have success through failure, rebuilding through the draft over 3 losing seasons. To me the funnest part of this league is developing players. However, if things stay the way they are I will adopt a new strategy and aim for a so-so regular season just to make the playoffs then load up once they start. It's kinda sad...I'd much rather have my best team on the ice the entire season (as I did last season).

As I stated before I don't feel there is an issue with warehousing. We all do it. I did it too while I was losing. It's changing the entire make up of a team in the playoffs that is frustrating alot of managers. If we all have to play our best players for the entire season (or at least 20 games) we can kinda know what to expect in the playoffs because it'll be the same team we faced in the regular season. I don't want to sound like a poor loser...I think I lost to Rammers because my team couldn't match up with his monster lineup. It was a totally different team. Not to take anything away from him because he is an excellent manager.

Going into the playoffs I didn't really have any expectations of my team to winning, PT curse and all, but I did want to have a close series and win more than 1 game! 1 game after a 70 win season! That's frustrating.
5/18/2010 11:00 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By big_drive on 5/16/2010

I know there are a lot of really good GMs here, and I enjoy the challenge of facing them. I would however like to see a more leval playing field. Do we honestly think we'd have a 70 win team if everyone played their 100 stat guys all season? I don't think we'd see it, but that's just my opinion.




No, I don't think I would have won 70 games if everyone played their best line up. And I would have actually enjoyed the season more if they had. I would know how good (or bad) my team is. And I'd know what my chances were come playoff time.
5/18/2010 11:04 AM
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MLD GM Rule Tweak League Wide Questionnaire

Well, the past is past now - we will start season 21 with a totally new formula when it comes to the players that will be available for playoffs if a team clinches a spot.

We have gotten feedback from all 24 GMs and have a rather solid majority decision. Interestingly also that the two other options for a rule change also got decent support. Thanks for the quick replies guys!!!

Here are the total poll results...........

Q1 - Rule tweak or not - 24 votes...

Total A: 2 --- 8 %
Total B: 11 --- 46 %
Total C: 6 --- 25 %
Total D: 5 --- 21 %

Q2 - when to implement - 21 votes...

Total A: 17 --- 81 %
Total B: 4 --- 19 %

So it's clear we have a majority decision on this:

Q1 - option B: Players with less than 20 regular season games is ineligible for the playoffs

Q2 - option A: New rule in effect from season 21 (NOW!).

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I SAY HERE IS HOW WE SHOULD ENFORCE AND OBEY THE NEW RULE:

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Players without 20 regular season games played INELIGIBLE for playoffs. NO SUBS. NO EXCEPTIONS.

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Each GM will have to decide on the need for backup for injury replacement in playoffs - making sure those players also have 20 or more games during regular season.

§3
Use of an ineligible player would result in automatic loss of a playoff round.
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Thanks to everyone for voting, and hope all are cool with thenew rule.

OKP - great if you can update league rules on page 1! :)
5/18/2010 3:08 PM
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