Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 1:09:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 7:21:00 AM (view original):
There are many, many reasons why the Confederate flag should be removed from all government buildings.  The shootings in SC is not one of them.  It's dumb to tie the two things together, as if the flag had anything to do with the shootings.

The killer was a crazy racist, shooting people in a state still flying a symbol of racism over the state Capitol.

It's time to finally take down the flag.

. . . this?

Part of dealing with these murders is addressing the explicit racism of the killer and the underlying racism in the South.

One small step in addressing the racism in the south is removing racist symbols from government buildings.

LOL.  That's a load of bullshit.

Removing flags from public buildings or monuments is not going to help "address racism" in the south.  Billy Ray Redneck is still going to proudly hang his flag in his garage and in his basement.  As well as on his truck and his baseball cap and on his wife beater t-shirt.  And he's still going to hate all those wrong colored people without a flag flying on government or public property tomorrow just as much as he does today.

Removing the flag is the right thing to do as it's offensive to a large group of people.  But you're really kidding yourself if you think it's going to be a "small step" towards addressing racism.  The flag is a symptom, not a root cause.  You don't address problems by attacking the symptoms.

Removing flags from public buildings or monuments is not going to help "address racism" in the south.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2015 1:21:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 7:21:00 AM (view original):
There are many, many reasons why the Confederate flag should be removed from all government buildings.  The shootings in SC is not one of them.  It's dumb to tie the two things together, as if the flag had anything to do with the shootings.

The killer was a crazy racist, shooting people in a state still flying a symbol of racism over the state Capitol.

It's time to finally take down the flag.

. . . this?

Part of dealing with these murders is addressing the explicit racism of the killer and the underlying racism in the South.

One small step in addressing the racism in the south is removing racist symbols from government buildings.

LOL.  That's a load of bullshit.

Removing flags from public buildings or monuments is not going to help "address racism" in the south.  Billy Ray Redneck is still going to proudly hang his flag in his garage and in his basement.  As well as on his truck and his baseball cap and on his wife beater t-shirt.  And he's still going to hate all those wrong colored people without a flag flying on government or public property tomorrow just as much as he does today.

Removing the flag is the right thing to do as it's offensive to a large group of people.  But you're really kidding yourself if you think it's going to be a "small step" towards addressing racism.  The flag is a symptom, not a root cause.  You don't address problems by attacking the symptoms.

No bullshit.

Removing flags from public buildings or monuments is not going to help "address racism" in the south.

Um, yeah it does. The state is essentially sponsoring racism by flying the flag. It's tough to make any sort of social progress when the Capitol building still says, "we pine for the days when we legally owned black people. Never forget."

You're right that nothing will change Billy Ray. But Billy Ray will eventually die. And Billy Ray's grandkids won't grow up seeing their pappy's hate flag flying over the Capitol building.

You need to stop drinking your own Kool Aid.

Like Mike said, the flag honors the heritage of the Confederacy.  Personally, I think the memory of the Confederacy needs to be put to bed, as it was an ill-fated movement by a bunch of rednecks (primarily Democrats, by the way) who didn't want to play nicely with their Northern neighbors, but that's besides the point.  That's why the flag is still prominently displayed throughout the south on public property.

The flag has also been hijacked by the white supremacists around the country as a misguided symbol of their bigotry and hatred towards those who don't look like them or pray to their same God.  Most rational people are offended by the white supremacists and their twisted agendas, and therefore the Confederate flag, as a "symbol" of those people, is also deemed offensive.

It's utterly retarded, even for you, to try to argue that the southern states are "essentially sponsoring racism" by flying the flag.  They are honoring their heritage, for better or for worse.  But I seriously doubt that any public official is thinking "we need to keep flying the flag to keep the darkies in their place".

But hey, take another big swig of your Kool Aid and tell yourself that's exactly what they're doing.

Finally, Billy Ray's grandkids will still see their pappy's hate flag hanging in their daddy's garage, or on Uncle Jethro's truck.  It isn't going away.

LOL.  He's taking functional out of functional retard.

I remember all those trips to the state capital with Grandpa Billy Ray.   We'd stare at the beautiful flags and he'd say "That thar flag is a symbol of racism.   That thar means we is right."   And that's how I became a racist.

There was nothing about the way my parents behaved or Grandpa Billy Ray's paraphanelia on white supremecy or the plethora of racist hate on the internet or even my peers hatin' on the blackies that led me down the racist path.   It was that thar flag on state grounds that did it.

Dumbass.

Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 1:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2015 9:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 7:21:00 AM (view original):
There are many, many reasons why the Confederate flag should be removed from all government buildings.  The shootings in SC is not one of them.  It's dumb to tie the two things together, as if the flag had anything to do with the shootings.

The killer was a crazy racist, shooting people in a state still flying a symbol of racism over the state Capitol.

It's time to finally take down the flag.

. . . this?

Part of dealing with these murders is addressing the explicit racism of the killer and the underlying racism in the South.

One small step in addressing the racism in the south is removing racist symbols from government buildings.

LOL.  That's a load of bullshit.

Removing flags from public buildings or monuments is not going to help "address racism" in the south.  Billy Ray Redneck is still going to proudly hang his flag in his garage and in his basement.  As well as on his truck and his baseball cap and on his wife beater t-shirt.  And he's still going to hate all those wrong colored people without a flag flying on government or public property tomorrow just as much as he does today.

Removing the flag is the right thing to do as it's offensive to a large group of people.  But you're really kidding yourself if you think it's going to be a "small step" towards addressing racism.  The flag is a symptom, not a root cause.  You don't address problems by attacking the symptoms.

No bullshit.

Removing flags from public buildings or monuments is not going to help "address racism" in the south.

Um, yeah it does. The state is essentially sponsoring racism by flying the flag. It's tough to make any sort of social progress when the Capitol building still says, "we pine for the days when we legally owned black people. Never forget."

You're right that nothing will change Billy Ray. But Billy Ray will eventually die. And Billy Ray's grandkids won't grow up seeing their pappy's hate flag flying over the Capitol building.

You need to stop drinking your own Kool Aid.

Like Mike said, the flag honors the heritage of the Confederacy.  Personally, I think the memory of the Confederacy needs to be put to bed, as it was an ill-fated movement by a bunch of rednecks (primarily Democrats, by the way) who didn't want to play nicely with their Northern neighbors, but that's besides the point.  That's why the flag is still prominently displayed throughout the south on public property.

The flag has also been hijacked by the white supremacists around the country as a misguided symbol of their bigotry and hatred towards those who don't look like them or pray to their same God.  Most rational people are offended by the white supremacists and their twisted agendas, and therefore the Confederate flag, as a "symbol" of those people, is also deemed offensive.

It's utterly retarded, even for you, to try to argue that the southern states are "essentially sponsoring racism" by flying the flag.  They are honoring their heritage, for better or for worse.  But I seriously doubt that any public official is thinking "we need to keep flying the flag to keep the darkies in their place".

But hey, take another big swig of your Kool Aid and tell yourself that's exactly what they're doing.

Finally, Billy Ray's grandkids will still see their pappy's hate flag hanging in their daddy's garage, or on Uncle Jethro's truck.  It isn't going away.

Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 2:01:00 PM (view original):
It hasn't been hijacked. The Civil War was fought to keep slavery legal. The confederate flag is the symbol of the fight to preserve black people as property of whites. That's white supremacy in its most undiluted form.

States honoring that "heritage" is racism.

Perhaps you should try reading a book beyond what you were taught in fifth grade.  You might learn about what the Civil War was really about.

Dumbass.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2015 2:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 2:01:00 PM (view original):
It hasn't been hijacked. The Civil War was fought to keep slavery legal. The confederate flag is the symbol of the fight to preserve black people as property of whites. That's white supremacy in its most undiluted form.

States honoring that "heritage" is racism.

Perhaps you should try reading a book beyond what you were taught in fifth grade.  You might learn about what the Civil War was really about.

Dumbass.

Are you saying the Civil War wasn't about slavery?

Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 2:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/23/2015 2:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/23/2015 2:01:00 PM (view original):
It hasn't been hijacked. The Civil War was fought to keep slavery legal. The confederate flag is the symbol of the fight to preserve black people as property of whites. That's white supremacy in its most undiluted form.

States honoring that "heritage" is racism.

Perhaps you should try reading a book beyond what you were taught in fifth grade.  You might learn about what the Civil War was really about.

Dumbass.

Are you saying the Civil War wasn't about slavery?

Slavery factored into it.  But, no.  The Civil War wasn't about slavery.

You really should try reading a book.  It's weird.  You can learn things by reading books.

...A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin…

As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of an­nexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery.

Upon the principles then announced by Mr. Lincoln and his leading friends, we are bound to expect his administration to be conducted. Hence it is, that in high places, among the Republi­can party, the election of Mr. Lincoln is hailed, not simply as it change of Administration, but as the inauguration of new princi­ples, and a new theory of Government, and even as the downfall of slavery. Therefore it is that the election of Mr. Lincoln cannot be regarded otherwise than a solemn declaration, on the part of a great majority of the Northern people, of hostility to the South, her property and her institutions—nothing less than an open declaration of war—for the triumph of this new theory of Government destroys the property of the South, lays waste her fields, and inaugurates all the horrors of a San Domingo servile insurrection, consigning her citizens to assassinations, and. her wives and daughters to pollution and violation, to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans.

While generations since 1865 have embellished this orthodoxy, it originated in the rhetoric of Confederate leaders seeking to justify secession and win support for their new nation. . . . This “Confederately correct” orthodoxy that the South fought for independence, not slavery, rankled a few southern realists, including the editors of the Richmond-based Southern Punch in 1864:

 

” ‘The people of the South,’ says a contemporary, ‘are not fighting for slavery but for independence.’ Let us look into this matter. It is an easy task, we think, to show up this new-fangled heresy — a heresy calculated to do us no good, for it cannot deceive foreign statesmen nor peoples, nor mislead any one here nor in Yankeeland. . . Our doctrine is this: WE ARE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR GREAT AND NECESSARY DOMESTIC INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY SHALL BE PRESERVED, and for the preservation of other institutions of which slavery is the groundwork.”