Yea, I just ignored the scenario and answered the relevant question.

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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 2:31:00 PM (view original):
What statement have I said that's incorrect?

That the guy making x-amount values his money more than the guy making more than x-amount. 

You'll notice whenever I make that statement, I add "most likely" or "generally" or "probably."

You can add "sometimes" or "once in awhile" or "virtually never" and it's still bullshit. 

The value of the dollar you hold in your hand, to you, is affected by countless outside factors.   Some of your doing, some of your circumstances and some from random bullshit.    I've thrown out countless examples and you still insist that a guy making 100k will miss money less than a guy making 50k.    And that's a stupid statement.  People don't live in vacuum.

It's not bullshit.  The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.  Cry all you want about it, but the government recognizes that, and they budget their tax code accordingly.  I'm not talking about any specific person in a vacuum.  

There are people who work under the books and collect unemployment at the same time.  It's like you'd argue to stop unemployment payments because there are people collecting who are employed. "UNEMPLOYMENT! BULLSHIT! THERE'S THIS ONE GUY..."

It is bullshit.   And it's sad that you can't recognize it.

You have 1m to live the rest of your life.  You cannot make more.  It cannot be taken from you without your consent.   You will die once the last penny is spent.

Do you live in the middle of NYC?
Do you move to Wyoming?

Are you going to continue to insist that 1m is the same in both places?

I've never insisted it was. 

And you don't see this as a contradiction to that statement?   "The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K."

No.

Nope

A million dollars doesn't go just as far in every city in America.

The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.

My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption.



3 statements that don't relate to each other.

Whether or not I value my next dollar more than someone else is irrelevant.  I EARNED THAT DOLLAR.  I should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  I value every freakin' cent I earn, because it represents my WORK and my EFFORT.

if someone else earns their dollar, they ALSO should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  

It's when the government gives away money (which is, by extension, MY money) that people value money less, because to them, it's the same as the trophy that people get for finishing in last place.  It isn't valued, IT'S EXPECTED and therefore taken for granted.

The government is probably the WORST arbiter of how to handle money for the good of the collective.  

Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
A million dollars doesn't go just as far in every city in America.

The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.

My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption.



3 statements that don't relate to each other.

Let's say your dog can fly. But it can only fly short distances and you can't tell anyone about it.

Why do you insist that $1m goes as far in NYC as it does in Wyoming?

Posted by toddcommish on 6/12/2014 3:09:00 PM (view original):
Whether or not I value my next dollar more than someone else is irrelevant.  I EARNED THAT DOLLAR.  I should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  I value every freakin' cent I earn, because it represents my WORK and my EFFORT.

if someone else earns their dollar, they ALSO should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  

It's when the government gives away money (which is, by extension, MY money) that people value money less, because to them, it's the same as the trophy that people get for finishing in last place.  It isn't valued, IT'S EXPECTED and therefore taken for granted.

The government is probably the WORST arbiter of how to handle money for the good of the collective.  

But you don't deserve to keep all of your money. Paying taxes is part of the deal. You get to live here, you pay taxes.

Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
A million dollars doesn't go just as far in every city in America.

The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.

My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption.



3 statements that don't relate to each other.

1.  True
2.  Bullshit
3.  If you say so

Anyhow, back to the point.   You can't say "20k guy values his dollar more than 40k guy.  And 40k values his dollar more than 400k guy" and so on down the line.   Individuals are individiuals with different financial situations/committments.    And the govt shouldn't try to group people for their tax committment either.   40k here isn't 40k there.  

FWIW, I'm not just talking out of my ***.  I've lived in every tax bracket over the last 16 years.  I value my dollar more now than I ever have and I'm a long way from my low point.   That's why I'm not interested in someone telling me how much I value my dollar.   Or telling anyone else how much their dollar is worth to them.    

Posted by toddcommish on 6/12/2014 3:09:00 PM (view original):
Whether or not I value my next dollar more than someone else is irrelevant.  I EARNED THAT DOLLAR.  I should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  I value every freakin' cent I earn, because it represents my WORK and my EFFORT.

if someone else earns their dollar, they ALSO should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  

It's when the government gives away money (which is, by extension, MY money) that people value money less, because to them, it's the same as the trophy that people get for finishing in last place.  It isn't valued, IT'S EXPECTED and therefore taken for granted.

The government is probably the WORST arbiter of how to handle money for the good of the collective.  

I don't think that the majority of the lower class expects the government to take care of them.  There are plenty of people who work very hard, and for a variety of circumstances, don't have a large income. 

For what it's worth, I know many people who make a very good salary who do not work all that hard.  It goes both ways.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2014 3:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 6/12/2014 3:09:00 PM (view original):
Whether or not I value my next dollar more than someone else is irrelevant.  I EARNED THAT DOLLAR.  I should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  I value every freakin' cent I earn, because it represents my WORK and my EFFORT.

if someone else earns their dollar, they ALSO should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  

It's when the government gives away money (which is, by extension, MY money) that people value money less, because to them, it's the same as the trophy that people get for finishing in last place.  It isn't valued, IT'S EXPECTED and therefore taken for granted.

The government is probably the WORST arbiter of how to handle money for the good of the collective.  

But you don't deserve to keep all of your money. Paying taxes is part of the deal. You get to live here, you pay taxes.

Couldn't one make the same argument for the lower class?  Paying the same relative rate of taxes as everybody else?

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Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2014 3:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 6/12/2014 3:09:00 PM (view original):
Whether or not I value my next dollar more than someone else is irrelevant.  I EARNED THAT DOLLAR.  I should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  I value every freakin' cent I earn, because it represents my WORK and my EFFORT.

if someone else earns their dollar, they ALSO should get to keep it (or at least most of it).  

It's when the government gives away money (which is, by extension, MY money) that people value money less, because to them, it's the same as the trophy that people get for finishing in last place.  It isn't valued, IT'S EXPECTED and therefore taken for granted.

The government is probably the WORST arbiter of how to handle money for the good of the collective.  

But you don't deserve to keep all of your money. Paying taxes is part of the deal. You get to live here, you pay taxes.

Couldn't one make the same argument for the lower class?  Paying the same relative rate of taxes as everybody else?

I think you can.   In fact, I think you should.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/12/2014 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
A million dollars doesn't go just as far in every city in America.

The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.

My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption.



3 statements that don't relate to each other.

1.  True
2.  Bullshit
3.  If you say so

Anyhow, back to the point.   You can't say "20k guy values his dollar more than 40k guy.  And 40k values his dollar more than 400k guy" and so on down the line.   Individuals are individiuals with different financial situations/committments.    And the govt shouldn't try to group people for their tax committment either.   40k here isn't 40k there.  

FWIW, I'm not just talking out of my ***.  I've lived in every tax bracket over the last 16 years.  I value my dollar more now than I ever have and I'm a long way from my low point.   That's why I'm not interested in someone telling me how much I value my dollar.   Or telling anyone else how much their dollar is worth to them.    

I'm also not interested in telling any individual how to value their dollar.  I haven't done that.

#2 is a fact, Mike. Call it bullshit if you want, I don't know how you can argue against it.  And you haven't aside from just calling it "bullshit."

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/12/2014 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
A million dollars doesn't go just as far in every city in America.

The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.

My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption.



3 statements that don't relate to each other.

1.  True
2.  Bullshit
3.  If you say so

Anyhow, back to the point.   You can't say "20k guy values his dollar more than 40k guy.  And 40k values his dollar more than 400k guy" and so on down the line.   Individuals are individiuals with different financial situations/committments.    And the govt shouldn't try to group people for their tax committment either.   40k here isn't 40k there.  

FWIW, I'm not just talking out of my ***.  I've lived in every tax bracket over the last 16 years.  I value my dollar more now than I ever have and I'm a long way from my low point.   That's why I'm not interested in someone telling me how much I value my dollar.   Or telling anyone else how much their dollar is worth to them.    

You're still missing the point. In general, a person values dollars $1-50k more than they value the dollars they make above $300k.

Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 3:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/12/2014 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
A million dollars doesn't go just as far in every city in America.

The average person who makes $100K will value his next dollar less than the average person who makes $50K.

My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption.



3 statements that don't relate to each other.

1.  True
2.  Bullshit
3.  If you say so

Anyhow, back to the point.   You can't say "20k guy values his dollar more than 40k guy.  And 40k values his dollar more than 400k guy" and so on down the line.   Individuals are individiuals with different financial situations/committments.    And the govt shouldn't try to group people for their tax committment either.   40k here isn't 40k there.  

FWIW, I'm not just talking out of my ***.  I've lived in every tax bracket over the last 16 years.  I value my dollar more now than I ever have and I'm a long way from my low point.   That's why I'm not interested in someone telling me how much I value my dollar.   Or telling anyone else how much their dollar is worth to them.    

I'm also not interested in telling any individual how to value their dollar.  I haven't done that.

#2 is a fact, Mike. Call it bullshit if you want, I don't know how you can argue against it.  And you haven't aside from just calling it "bullshit."

Yet you do.   "Take more from them because they'll miss it less" is definitely telling someone the value of their dollar.  

I suppose I could ask you to define "average" person.    But you'd still have to put them in a vacuum.   And, as we know, that's not where anyone resides.