Posted by badaxe on 6/17/2012 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Crap. I was on the fence, and wasted a five-pack. Should have left, again...

Yup.

You know for all the crying and moaning about GD 1, in hindsight, that engine was perfect.

It was run heavy yes. For one reason: the RB recruits were the best in the game.

At D1, you could always find 90/90/90 guys... If you found one 70/70/70 QB, it was like winning the lottery.


All Conte had to do was scale the RB recruits down at every level, boom, perfect game.

Sigh

And I was proud of my receivers with 80 Hands...

I wonder how many 1,2, and 3 ranked teams get NCs in D III, DII, and DIAA.  At the risk of offending Damauler, which is not my intent, I agree with Slid.  His teams are not better, nor worse.  I've seen him take guys that I wouldn't have on my bench.  He is skinning the cat a different way than I am and it is working for him.  But I think he may also be the luckiest coach on here.  To be good AND that lucky is tough to beat.

I've looked at many POs and it seems the top ranked teams get more than their share of hosing. My SHS team just beat a much better W&M team today in the POs.  Odds of that happening should be a million to one yet that kind of thing happens not only every season but several times every season.  Just curious but in your NCs Damauler, do you recall if you were ranked #1,2 or 3 going in?  I know I've seen #1s win as Jax and some others have but I think it is in the minority that a 1, 2, or 3 wins.  Maybe the answer is NOT to have the best team but the 4th or 5th best team.

   All I know for everyone's(myself included) ******** and moaning about the so called lousy engine,  I was able to win consistently with TAMC Hayes with tremendous offense and excellent D.         And if I or anyone else can win consistently then it is more than just luck.
                     I still like this game.
                           

@bhouska- I totally get your frustration...I do! Like I said earlier...we are blowing a ton of hot air here about an engine that will be changing. That being said...I will continue to "game the game" until we make any changes. While it makes NO SENSE for hands to not matter...isn't is even MORE foolish of me to value that attribute if it doesn't mean squat? Also...full disclosure...I only recently discovered how little hands matter. So it wasn't like that was my "big secret" or anything.

@grindi- A few things made me chuckle. (Not offended...just chuckle) "His teams are not better, nor worse. I've see him take guys that I wouldn't have on my bench. He is skinning the cat a different way than I am and it is working for him".

Hmmm...it's like you answered your own question here champ! There are guys I am taking...who you wouldn't have on your bench...yet...I am winning with these guys. Maybe...I dunno...start getting the guys I am getting too????

As for your question on where I was ranked...I really have no idea with WIS...but a crazy thing happens if you look at my teams GUESS rankings the season they won the NC...

Warner
UConn Season 65- GUESS #3
G-Town 55- #4
Winona 66- #1
Winona 62- #1
Winona 59- #3
Winona 54- #1

Hayes
Dayton 33- #2

Stagg
Valdosta 73- #4
Valdosta 72- #5

Camp
Capital 79- #1
Capital 77- #8
Capital 75- #1
Capital 72- #16
Capital 71- #1
Capital 70- #1
Capital 67- #1

So 8 of the 16 times I got "lucky" and won the NC...I was #1. 14 of 16 times we ranked NO WORSE than #5. It's the old axiom I guess...put yourself in position to win consistently and...

I actually do have a "secret" that is not so secret for why I have crushed this engine more than others. I don't mind "sharing" this secret because with the new engine coming out...this "secret" may not be as big of a help in that engine. Ready...

It's my big class "experiment" that has yielded me almost all of my titles in every world. Of my 7 NC's at Capital...4 came when my class was SR's. At Winona, 3 of my 5 came when I had a SR. class over 20 guys. We have also played for the NC all 4 seasons I had a big SR class winning the 3 of course. At UConn, I won with a SR class of around 18 and a JR class of 17 that same season...or 35 upperclassmen.

So mebbbbe I got lucky to win 16 NC's...I would mebbbbbe concede that point. However...my big classes at Capital and Winona alone have netted my 7 NC's in 8 appearances and to be 100% frank...I earned every damn one of them! So if I only had those 7 with maybe another lucky one or 2...I would still be well ahead of 99.9% of GD land.

So no...to me...it's not luck. It may not be skill...but it's not luck.

Damauler, again I was not being offensive.  Your way works for you.  Obviously some of the ratings, like hands means nothing, and the guys you are getting that I wouldn't get have ratings in things that don't matter.  I tend to believe that faqs are pointing us in the right direction but obviously they are a lie or only partial truths too.  I've experimented with formation practice and no formation practice amd for me it is window dressing. The Guess ratings are not the WIS ratings so they are not a clue to the engine acting against higher seeds.  Maybe, maybe not.  Just as a mudder horse finds its' niche, so have you.  I'm like Bob in the fact that I like to recruit guys with the good ratings in what the game says are cores.   The ratings should mean something.  ALL the ratings for each player should have some influence.  Grades should mean something.  For instance, a highly intelligent player should play better than a dumb IF all their ratings are exactly the same, as a way of comparing.  The smart guy would be able to use all he's learned to outwit, for lack of a better word, than the dumb guy.  But so what.  This is just a game.  Whether you are #1 or #1001 makes no difference as long as you are enjoying yourself.  Being number #1 doesn't put you above anybody except in this game.  And this game has a lot of flaws.  I tend to agree with who ever said the old game was better.  A couple tweaks and it would have been great.  Many have left this one and more are following.  For me, this just isn't fun anymore.  I'm playing hockey and soccer elswhere and having fun.  That all that matters.

Why is it that so many people have trouble understanding that the game is not and should not be deterministic and results are multiply determined?

Posted by llad_lu76 on 6/17/2012 11:24:00 PM (view original):
Why is it that so many people have trouble understanding that the game is not and should not be deterministic and results are multiply determined?

Huh?

FWIW, this whole hands thing is it for me.

I think that WIS has been perpetrating a fraud.

If I knew how to do it, I would sue them, and do so on behalf of all the people who have paid them over the years.

Posted by flexmagnum on 6/16/2012 2:48:00 PM (view original):
In case you don't want to click the link and investigate:

He goes 18-1 and wins the NC today.

7,823 yards passing... That's ok with me


WR#1 Warren Ward: 120 rec, 1,928 yards, 20 tds... HANDS RATING: 27 (TWENTY SEVEN)

WR#2 Steve Robinson: 91 rec, 1,664 yards, 20 tds... HANDS RATING: 21 (TWENTY ONE)

WR#3 John Houston: 88 rec, 1,498 yards, 13 tds... HANDS RATING: 46 (FOURTY SIX)


I'm awaiting my knowledge lesson

Folks,

Rather than spending time cursing the darkness, let us try to light a candle instead.  

Not saying I have the answer, or that receivers with crappy hands should perform well, but clearly there must be another attribute that would compensate and allow the high level of performance.  How about Speed???  (Intuitively, fast receivers should be more open, and result in easier catches even if WRs are all thumbs???)


Speed of top 4 C. Oklahoma pass catching receivers

Ward     spd = 88
Robinson spd = 91
Houston  spd = 91
McIntyre spd = 84

 Avg  = 88.5


Starting receiver speed for C. Oklahoma playoff opponents

SMS
65
76
avg: 70.5

LI
63
60
avg: 61.5

Wingate
62
87
73
73
avg: 73.8

SCS
75
75
avg: 75

Morehouse
78
82

Avg 80

Grand Average, WR speed of CO opponents: 72.4

Clearly the CO receivers had a large speed advantage in comparison vs. other receivers.

What about DBs?  Again, speed for starting DBs of CO playoff opponents:

SMS
80
69
63

avg:  70.67

LI
80
77
72
70
69

avg: 72.0

Wingate

65
60
72
83

avg:  70

SCS

79
88
78

avg: 81.67

Morehouse

83
92
84
90

Avg: 89.8

Grand average: DB speed of CO playoff opponents: 80.78

As for the champs:

Juarez:   92
McKnight: 88
Tompkins: 92

Avg: 90.67


So, CO receivers had a large speed advantage vs. the DBs of each opponent except for Morehouse where the difference is negligible.   Again, not saying this explains everything (and certainly not that it *should* explain everything), but it could be a clue...  I guess if a WR recruit has bad hands, they'd better have blazing speed???  Also, haven't done a systematic analysis, but it looks like they threw short quite a bit.  Maybe the secret if you have stone-handed receivers is to throw short and let them run???  Just some food for thought....

All of that was obvious.

A WR with hands of less than 30 shouldn't catch 30 passes let alone 150...


Are you related to Conte or what?

Posted by flexmagnum on 6/18/2012 2:55:00 AM (view original):
All of that was obvious.

A WR with hands of less than 30 shouldn't catch 30 passes let alone 150...


Are you related to Conte or what?

Next time, just keep the smarta$$ comment to yourself if you have nothing useful to add.

Posted by llad_lu76 on 6/18/2012 3:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by flexmagnum on 6/18/2012 2:55:00 AM (view original):
All of that was obvious.

A WR with hands of less than 30 shouldn't catch 30 passes let alone 150...


Are you related to Conte or what?

Next time, just keep the smarta$$ comment to yourself if you have nothing useful to add.

ARE you Conte?

Or maybe jhughrsjr. He was always a WIS apologist.

Only thing that puts a fly in the ointment,  when the strength and speed of my defensive line averages 10 points better than the offensive line, the speed of the WRs is null and void.  The QB should have zero time to find them downfield.  It isn't that way .  A dominant D line or O line mean nothing.  Hands  should mean the ability to catch and hang onto the ball.  If 100 is best then a WR should catch 100% of the balls he can touch.  Similarily 30 should catch 30% or some other reduced number,of the balls he can touch.  A 30 should not catch 15 of 15.