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Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2016 7:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/4/2016 7:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2016 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 10/4/2016 7:21:00 PM (view original):
value is pretty vague as well. Value as in the player helped the team win? Value as in the player made money for the team? Even when he sucked, Tim Lincecum made money for the Giants. His jersey was always very popular and games he started were "events". He certainly made money for the Giants in his suckage years. Help them win? Not so much.
Actually, the ballot defines value clearly.
Explain.
"that is, strength of offense and defense."
How does one "clearly" define "strength of offense and defense"?
10/4/2016 8:07 PM
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Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.
10/4/2016 8:07 PM
bad_luck
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You don't think that's clear? Why not?

Away from the MVP discussion, if someone asked you to evaluate the strength of a player's offense, you could do that, right?
10/4/2016 8:10 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2016 8:10:00 PM (view original):
You don't think that's clear? Why not?

Away from the MVP discussion, if someone asked you to evaluate the strength of a player's offense, you could do that, right?
Go ahead. Say it.

Make my day.
10/4/2016 8:13 PM
bad_luck
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Say what?
10/4/2016 8:24 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 8:07:00 PM (view original):
Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.
So you lump "defense" and "pitching" together?

So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?
10/4/2016 8:37 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2016 8:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 8:07:00 PM (view original):
Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.
So you lump "defense" and "pitching" together?

So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?
A pitcher's job is to prevent runs and get outs right?
10/4/2016 8:53 PM
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So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?
10/4/2016 9:02 PM
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You didn't answer the question I asked you.
10/4/2016 9:21 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2016 8:24:00 PM (view original):
Say what?
How does one "clearly" define "strength of offense and defense"?
10/4/2016 10:00 PM
bad_luck
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How is this a question you don't know the answer to?

"Hey tec, evaluate the strength of Joe Guy's offense."

"Well, over 700 PA this season, he hit .311/.408/.545 with 36 home runs and 12 stolen bases. His OPS+ was 168. He had a very strong offensive season."

10/4/2016 10:16 PM
tecwrg
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How does that translate to "actual value"?
10/4/2016 10:25 PM
bad_luck
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Translate? The ballot says evaluate the strength of the player's offense and defense. Why would you need to translate anything?
10/4/2016 10:27 PM
tecwrg
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So "value" = stats?
10/4/2016 11:03 PM
bad_luck
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Well, yeah. What else would equal value?
10/4/2016 11:17 PM
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