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wylie715
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I would consider Jeter a good shortstop. Not great defensively, but good enough.
8/9/2016 6:48 PM
bad_luck
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Posted by sjpoker on 8/9/2016 5:52:00 PM (view original):
I think Jeter gets a bad rap as a SS. He wasn't Ozzie, but I've seen plenty worse.
He got a bad rap because he wasn't good defensively.

Overall, he was still great, though. Just not as good as Arod.

(But Arod's also probably the best or second best SS of all time, so that's a tough standard to hold anyone to)
8/9/2016 7:24 PM
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It depends what you mean by "defensively". He was pretty good with the glove and usually handled what he got to - and that's what I'm sure a lot of people remember. It's his range that was the problem. No one remembers all the basehits that a SS with even average range would have gotten to.
8/9/2016 11:21 PM
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Posted by Jtpsops on 8/9/2016 11:21:00 PM (view original):
It depends what you mean by "defensively". He was pretty good with the glove and usually handled what he got to - and that's what I'm sure a lot of people remember. It's his range that was the problem. No one remembers all the basehits that a SS with even average range would have gotten to.
So he was just a singles hitting Jhonny Peralta
8/9/2016 11:41 PM
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Posted by Jtpsops on 8/9/2016 11:21:00 PM (view original):
It depends what you mean by "defensively". He was pretty good with the glove and usually handled what he got to - and that's what I'm sure a lot of people remember. It's his range that was the problem. No one remembers all the basehits that a SS with even average range would have gotten to.
How many of those do you think there were per game?
8/10/2016 6:53 AM
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I have no idea. But I can guarantee he had more than most shortstops.
8/10/2016 11:22 AM
MikeT23
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Just guess. 1 per game? 2? 3? 27?
8/10/2016 11:29 AM
bad_luck
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Between 10 and 60 additional hits per season, depending on the season.

8/10/2016 12:11 PM (edited)
bad_luck
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For comparison, Arod took away about 17 hits more than an average shortstop his last year in Texas.

Being generous to Jeter and assuming that Arod would lose a little the next year in NY, you're still looking at a net loss of ~20 hits.
8/10/2016 12:13 PM
wylie715
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where did you come up with those numbers?
8/10/2016 12:43 PM
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Posted by wylie715 on 8/10/2016 12:43:00 PM (view original):
where did you come up with those numbers?
Certainly not from watching the games. He has stats.
8/10/2016 12:49 PM
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Posted by wylie715 on 8/10/2016 12:43:00 PM (view original):
where did you come up with those numbers?
Super rough estimates. Run value of a single varies between .4 and .5 depending on the year. Used BR's Rfield (runs better or worse than average) and backed into it.

I could be off but it's probably closer than any other estimate.
8/10/2016 1:01 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2016 1:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 8/10/2016 12:43:00 PM (view original):
where did you come up with those numbers?
Super rough estimates. Run value of a single varies between .4 and .5 depending on the year. Used BR's Rfield (runs better or worse than average) and backed into it.

I could be off but it's probably closer than any other estimate.
LOL.

"I made it up".
8/10/2016 1:04 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 8/10/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2016 1:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 8/10/2016 12:43:00 PM (view original):
where did you come up with those numbers?
Super rough estimates. Run value of a single varies between .4 and .5 depending on the year. Used BR's Rfield (runs better or worse than average) and backed into it.

I could be off but it's probably closer than any other estimate.
LOL.

"I made it up".
Well, no.

But if you have a better way of answering mike's question, I'm all ears.
8/10/2016 1:06 PM
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He basically is saying Jeter was useless outside of being a good bat for a SS.
8/10/2016 1:33 PM
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