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Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2016 5:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Or I just tired of arguing with you over what I said.

Here's the thing. Give me 20 AB against Kluber. I'm not delusional enough to think I'll get a hit. But I might foul a few off. He might miss the strike zone a couple of times. Suddenly, I've got a walk. yay me

To borrow a genius example I heard recently, give me 20 PA against Kluber. I'm not delusional enough to think I can make hard contact but I might sneak a grounder through a hole for a single. Yay me.
Do you think there is more skilled involved in getting a hit or taking a walk?
12/16/2016 5:53 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2016 5:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Or I just tired of arguing with you over what I said.

Here's the thing. Give me 20 AB against Kluber. I'm not delusional enough to think I'll get a hit. But I might foul a few off. He might miss the strike zone a couple of times. Suddenly, I've got a walk. yay me

To borrow a genius example I heard recently, give me 20 PA against Kluber. I'm not delusional enough to think I can make hard contact but I might sneak a grounder through a hole for a single. Yay me.
Do you think there is more skilled involved in getting a hit or taking a walk?
I think, for either one of us against Kluber, both outcomes are equally as likely.
12/16/2016 5:55 PM
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Not answering the question.

More skill involved in getting a hit or taking a walk?
12/16/2016 6:15 PM
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I mean, if you're pretending you can get a walk 5% of the time against Kluber when he only walks major league hitters 6% of the time, I figure you don't actually want to have a serious conversation.
12/16/2016 6:16 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Not answering the question.

More skill involved in getting a hit or taking a walk?
The question, please answer. Substitute some 39 y/o has been for Kluber if it makes you feel better.
12/16/2016 6:35 PM
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Posted by toddcommish on 12/16/2016 5:17:00 PM (view original):
Apparently, defenders of cokeheads have poor reading comprehension. I was just asking, ARE THERE ANY ADMITTED COKEHEADS IN THE HOF?

Because it appears that they might be perceived differently than their comparably performing peers.
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12/16/2016 6:43 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 6:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Not answering the question.

More skill involved in getting a hit or taking a walk?
The question, please answer. Substitute some 39 y/o has been for Kluber if it makes you feel better.
The question is irrelevant. We know it's incredibly difficult to maintain a high walk rate in the major league.
12/16/2016 7:12 PM
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No it isn't. It's a very simple question. Answer it.
12/16/2016 7:31 PM
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If you don't want to answer because it explains why I'm not as enamored with walks as you are, that's fine.

12/16/2016 7:34 PM
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LOL @ PSBL. Painted himself in corner, doesn't know how to get out.
12/16/2016 7:56 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 7:34:00 PM (view original):
If you don't want to answer because it explains why I'm not as enamored with walks as you are, that's fine.

No one has ever denied that a single is more valuable than a walk. The part you're missing is that walks are also valuable.
12/16/2016 8:55 PM
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Sure. Getting on base is better than getting out.

But, if you would, humor me, does it take more skill to get a hit or take a walk?
12/16/2016 9:32 PM
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Just so you don't start twisting words, do you agree that I never said "Martinez walked too much. He should have made more outs"?
12/16/2016 9:33 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 9:33:00 PM (view original):
Just so you don't start twisting words, do you agree that I never said "Martinez walked too much. He should have made more outs"?
Your exact words were "Martinez walked a great deal. Bad."
12/16/2016 10:16 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2016 9:32:00 PM (view original):
Sure. Getting on base is better than getting out.

But, if you would, humor me, does it take more skill to get a hit or take a walk?
If walking is so easy, why don't more major leaguers have high walk rates?

A hitter who can walk 15% of the time can probably find a spot on any roster. You'd think guys barely hanging on would just take more walks and lock down a job somewhere.
12/16/2016 10:20 PM
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