Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Jesus ******* christ. Maybe your mom lives there and you're visiting. It doesn't matter why. Are you to blame if someone robs you?

Of course it matters why.

But whatever, I'll play along.  If I were a victim of crime in an time and place where the crime rate is higher, and I didn't HAVE to be there, it would be fair to question "what the **** were you thinking in going there"?

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Jesus ******* christ. Maybe your mom lives there and you're visiting. It doesn't matter why. Are you to blame if someone robs you?

Of course it matters why.

But whatever, I'll play along.  If I were a victim of crime in an time and place where the crime rate is higher, and I didn't HAVE to be there, it would be fair to question "what the **** were you thinking in going there"?

But, certainly, you wouldn't be to blame for the crime, right?

You said yourself, you drive through a bad neighborhood everyday. I'm assuming that the crime rate in that part of Hartford, even in the morning, is higher than other places. Are you to blame if you get carjacked at 7am tomorrow?

If that were to happen, I suppose it would be fair to say that I played with fire and finally got burned.

But would it be fair to say that you were to blame?

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 12:52:00 PM (view original):
But would it be fair to say that you were to blame?

No its not fair, but that's the reality. Its not a perfect world and to survive in it you can't ignore the obvious. In this case, parking a nice car in a high crime/theft area is not a smart thing to do.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The fact that you are responsible for your safety doesn't absolve others when they act negligently and injure you. They can still be held criminally responsible.

I would prefer not getting shot at all over wrongfully getting shot.  I'm going to do what I think is best to avoid getting shot.

But maybe that's just me.

Exactly.

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 10:25:00 AM (view original):
So the answer is possibly yes, it would have been ok if he were shot. He should wait for the cop to acknowledge "I'm going to get my license" with an "ok" or a "yes, moron, that's what I told you to do" or something first. That sounds insane, but ok.

I'm responsible for my own safety. That said, if someone hurts me, and I don't deserve it, that person should probably stand trial and possibly go to jail.  Getting my license when asked to get my license is not deserving of getting shot.  There is no way this guy thought for one second that he was doing something dangerous when he did that.

Also, it should go without saying that the job of a police officer is to protect the public and keep order. When he does the exact opposite, suggesting that it might be criminal isn't unreasonable.

I'm well aware of the job description for a police officer.   Unfortunately, like in every other profession, some of them suck at it.   Difference is that the sucky police officers might just shoot you.    Avoiding that by making sure he knows what you're doing at all times seems like a good play.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The fact that you are responsible for your safety doesn't absolve others when they act negligently and injure you. They can still be held criminally responsible.

I would prefer not getting shot at all over wrongfully getting shot.  I'm going to do what I think is best to avoid getting shot.

But maybe that's just me.

Exactly.

I love this logic. Because Jones didn't take every conceivable step to avoid being shot by the police, the police aren't really at fault for shooting him.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 10:25:00 AM (view original):
So the answer is possibly yes, it would have been ok if he were shot. He should wait for the cop to acknowledge "I'm going to get my license" with an "ok" or a "yes, moron, that's what I told you to do" or something first. That sounds insane, but ok.

I'm responsible for my own safety. That said, if someone hurts me, and I don't deserve it, that person should probably stand trial and possibly go to jail.  Getting my license when asked to get my license is not deserving of getting shot.  There is no way this guy thought for one second that he was doing something dangerous when he did that.

Also, it should go without saying that the job of a police officer is to protect the public and keep order. When he does the exact opposite, suggesting that it might be criminal isn't unreasonable.

I'm well aware of the job description for a police officer.   Unfortunately, like in every other profession, some of them suck at it.   Difference is that the sucky police officers might just shoot you.    Avoiding that by making sure he knows what you're doing at all times seems like a good play.

Or we can just fire/throw in jail police officers so sucky that they shoot people for following orders.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The fact that you are responsible for your safety doesn't absolve others when they act negligently and injure you. They can still be held criminally responsible.

I would prefer not getting shot at all over wrongfully getting shot.  I'm going to do what I think is best to avoid getting shot.

But maybe that's just me.

No ****.

But, again, the fact that everyone would prefer not to be shot doesn't absolve the cop of his responsibility to not illegally shoot people.

Let me play along with your premise . . .

Given that we live in a country where cops illegally shoot people when they do stupid things . . . is it a good idea to do stupid things in front of a cop with a gun?

Fixed this for you.

"Given that we live in a society where men sexually assault women who wear short skirts...is it a good idea to wear short skirts?"

The answer to that would be "Probably not, if you're going to be in an area where such sexual assaults have a higher likelihood of taking place".

It's called "common sense".

It's legal to walk down the street in Compton with a bucket full of $100 bills.


I don't think it's a good idea.

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The fact that you are responsible for your safety doesn't absolve others when they act negligently and injure you. They can still be held criminally responsible.

I would prefer not getting shot at all over wrongfully getting shot.  I'm going to do what I think is best to avoid getting shot.

But maybe that's just me.

No ****.

But, again, the fact that everyone would prefer not to be shot doesn't absolve the cop of his responsibility to not illegally shoot people.

Let me play along with your premise . . .

Given that we live in a country where cops illegally shoot people when they do stupid things . . . is it a good idea to do stupid things in front of a cop with a gun?

Fixed this for you.

"Given that we live in a society where men sexually assault women who wear short skirts...is it a good idea to wear short skirts?"

The answer to that would be "Probably not, if you're going to be in an area where such sexual assaults have a higher likelihood of taking place".

It's called "common sense".

So if this was a thread on whether we should charge the rapist with a crime, you'd be here blaming the girl for putting herself in that situation, right?

So Mike, you'd be in this camp, right?

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The fact that you are responsible for your safety doesn't absolve others when they act negligently and injure you. They can still be held criminally responsible.

I would prefer not getting shot at all over wrongfully getting shot.  I'm going to do what I think is best to avoid getting shot.

But maybe that's just me.

No ****.

But, again, the fact that everyone would prefer not to be shot doesn't absolve the cop of his responsibility to not illegally shoot people.

Let me play along with your premise . . .

Given that we live in a country where cops illegally shoot people when they do stupid things . . . is it a good idea to do stupid things in front of a cop with a gun?

Fixed this for you.

"Given that we live in a society where men sexually assault women who wear short skirts...is it a good idea to wear short skirts?"

The answer to that would be "Probably not, if you're going to be in an area where such sexual assaults have a higher likelihood of taking place".

It's called "common sense".

So if this was a thread on whether we should charge the rapist with a crime, you'd be here blaming the girl for putting herself in that situation, right?

So Mike, you'd be in this camp, right?

What's the situation?

Read the post - Girl, short skirt, raped. Her fault.

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Read the post - Girl, short skirt, raped. Her fault.

I need more details.  


I know, when you're dealing with cops, that your hands need to be in full view.     And, if they aren't, the cop needs to know why.  

You mean like, "let me see your license." Hmmm, I wonder what he's reaching for.