Rule V Leg #63 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Royals and Rangers have won the two most recent world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
4/15/2019 8:02 AM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 12 786 1158 0.4043
2 D'backs 23 1677 2049 0.4501
3 White Sox 17 1293 1461 0.4695
4 Tigers 34 2599 2911 0.4717
5 Pirates 30 2305 2555 0.4743
6 Rockies 17 1328 1426 0.4822
7 Twins 34 2679 2831 0.4862
8 Angels 26 2049 2164 0.4864
9 Rangers 26 2053 2160 0.4873
10 Brewers 31 2469 2556 0.4913
11 Marlins 27 2162 2214 0.4941
12 Orioles 36 2886 2947 0.4948
13 Expos 43 3469 3500 0.4978
14 Blue Jays 40 3236 3246 0.4992
15 Red Sox 44 3572 3557 0.5011
16 Mariners 41 3332 3313 0.5014
17 Padres 32 2602 2583 0.5018
18 Indians 42 3417 3388 0.5021
19 Phillies 41 3361 3284 0.5058
20 Reds 36 2954 2879 0.5064
21 Royals 39 3218 3103 0.5091
22 Cubs 34 2805 2703 0.5093
23 Mets 39 3234 3085 0.5118
24 Braves 43 3573 3393 0.5129
25 Giants 40 3334 3149 0.5143
26 Cardinals 44 3688 3441 0.5173
27 Yankees 40 3381 3099 0.5218
28 Dodgers 43 3676 3292 0.5276
29 A's 44 3773 3357 0.5292
30 Astros 43 3788 3179 0.5437
4/18/2019 5:44 AM (edited)
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Franchise draft order (timed schedule begins TUESDAY 4/16)
  1. spikeboots 57-105 .352 * Toronto Blue Jays
  2. good_beef 62-100 .383 Minnesota Twins*
  3. spoonfed 69-93 .426 Houston Astros*
  4. nordawg 72-90 .444 LA Dodgers*
  5. deathdealer 73-89 .451* Tampa Bay Rays*
  6. Lincoln15 75-87 .463 New York Mets*
  7. specsman 76-86 .469 Cleveland Indians*
  8. pumpkinmcp 78-84 .481 Oakland Athletics*
  9. tridentric 78-84 .481 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  10. mussopini23 80-82 .494 Pittsburgh Pirates*
  11. Chisock 82-80 .506 Cincinnati Reds*
  12. buddhagamer 83-79 .512 Boston Red Sox*
  13. shaybee 83-79 .512 Detroit Tigers*
  14. newarkwilder 85-77 .525 Chicago White Sox*
  15. ff09 85-77 .525 St. Louis Cardinals*
  16. trenchfoot 86-77 .528 Kansas City Royals*
  17. sakensei 87-76 .534 ^ San Francisco Giants*
  18. captmurphy 88-74 .543 ^ Colorado Rockies*
  19. bob_shabazz 90-72 .556 ^ Chicago Cubs*
  20. sinfonian11 91-71 .562 ^ Seattle Mariners*
  21. rbow923 91-71 .562 ^ Baltimore Orioles*
  22. justinlee_24 94-68 .580 ^ Milwaukee Brewers*
  23. alleyviper 90-72 .556 # New York Yankees*
  24. atheistdeals 90-72 .556 $ Atlanta Braves*
* Third Round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
# WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment
NL East AL East
Mets Yankees
Expos/Nats Red Sox
Pirates Blue Jays
Braves Orioles
NL Central AL Central
Cubs Tigers
Cardinals Indians
Brewers White Sox
Reds Rays
NL West AL West
Dodgers Athletics
Giants Mariners
Rockies Royals
Astros Twins


Owner list for sitemailing: spikeboots; good_beef; spoonfed; nordawg; deathdealer; Lincoln15; specsman; pumpkinmcp; tridentric; mussopini23; Chisock; buddhagamer; shaybee; newarkwilder; ff09; trenchfoot; sakensei; captmurphy; bob_shabazz; sinfonian11; rbow923; justinlee_24; alleyviper; atheistdeals
4/24/2019 1:29 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule MONDAY 4/22)
  1. deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays Orel Hershiser - LAD
  2. newarkwilder - Chicago White Sox Catfish Hunter - NYY
  3. shaybee - Detroit Tigers Johan Santana - MIN
  4. mussopini23 - Pittsburgh Pirates Justin Verlander - HOU
  5. captmurphy - Colorado Rockies Jeff Bagwell - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. good_beef - Minnesota Twins Bill Singer - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  7. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers HWMNBN - CIN
  8. rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles Ellis Burks - COL
  9. tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Tim Lincecum - SFG
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays Joe Mauer - MIN (Twins off the board)
  11. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox Mike Norris - OAK
  12. sinfonian11 - Seattle Mariners Derek Lowe - BOS
  13. specsman - Cleveland Indians David Cone - KCR
  14. Chisock - Cincinnati Reds Bryce Harper - MON/WSH
  15. trenchfoot - Kansas City Royals Edgar Martinez - SEA
  16. bob_shabazz - Chicago Cubs Matt Harvey - NYM
  17. Lincoln15 - New York Mets Mariano Rivera - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  18. atheistdeals - Atlanta Braves Rico Petrocelli - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  19. sakensei - San Francisco Giants Jose Ramirez - CLE
  20. ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals Blake Treinen - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  21. alleyviper - New York Yankees Chris Carpenter - STL
  22. nordawg - Los Angeles Dodgers Joey Votto - CIN (Reds off the board)
  23. pumpkinmcp - Oakland Athletics Christian Yelich - MIL
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts TUESDAY 4/23)
  1. deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays Larry Dierker - HOU
  2. newarkwilder - Chicago White Sox Adrian Beltre - LAD
  3. shaybee - Detroit Tigers Kevin Brown - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  4. mussopini23 - Pittsburgh Pirates Madison Bumgarner - SFG
  5. captmurphy - Colorado Rockies Don Wilson - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. good_beef - Minnesota Twins Jon Matlack - NYM
  7. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers Chuck Knoblauch - MIN
  8. rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles Fred Lynn - BOS
  9. tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Jose Reyes - NYM (Mets off the board)
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays Paul O’Neill - NYY
  11. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox Tim Hudson - OAK
  12. sinfonian11 - Seattle Mariners Ted Simmons - STL
  13. specsman - Cleveland Indians Don Mattingly - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  14. Chisock - Cincinnati Reds Carl Yastrzemski - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  15. trenchfoot - Kansas City Royals Trevor Story - COL
  16. bob_shabazz - Chicago Cubs Carlos Guillen - DET
  17. Lincoln15 - New York Mets Charlie Blackmon - COL (Rockies off the board)
  18. atheistdeals - Atlanta Braves Jim Thome - CLE
  19. sakensei - San Francisco Giants Ben Sheets - MIL
  20. ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals Billy Williams - CHC
  21. alleyviper - New York Yankees Bernie Carbo - CIN
  22. nordawg - Los Angeles Dodgers Gary Sheffield - ATL
  23. pumpkinmcp - Oakland Athletics Manny Machado - BAL
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros Gary Carter - MON/WSH
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule THURSDAY 4/25)
  1. deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays Jonathan Lucroy - MIL
  2. newarkwilder - Chicago White Sox Jose Altuve - HOU
  3. shaybee - Detroit Tigers Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  4. mussopini23 - Pittsburgh Pirates Wade Boggs - NYY
  5. captmurphy - Colorado Rockies Fernando Valenzuela - LAD
  6. good_beef - Minnesota Twins 12:30pm
  7. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers Andre Dawson - MON/WSH
  8. rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles Chad Green - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  9. tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays Craig Kimbrel - BOS
  11. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox Eddie Murray - BAL
  12. sinfonian11 - Seattle Mariners Kris Bryant - CHC
  13. specsman - Cleveland Indians Josh Donaldson - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  14. Chisock - Cincinnati Reds Wade Davis - KCR
  15. trenchfoot - Kansas City Royals Andy Van Slyke - PIT
  16. bob_shabazz - Chicago Cubs Hideo Nomo - LAD ( Dodgers off the board)
  17. Lincoln15 - New York Mets Matt Holliday - COL
  18. atheistdeals - Atlanta Braves Eric Davis - CIN
  19. sakensei - San Francisco Giants Adam Dunn - CIN (Reds off the board)
  20. ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals Victor Martinez - DET
  21. alleyviper - New York Yankees Justin Morneau - MIN
  22. nordawg - Los Angeles Dodgers Tommy Pham - TBR
  23. pumpkinmcp - Oakland Athletics Norm Charlton - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros John Valentin - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
4/26/2019 8:23 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

deathdealer - Tampa Bay Rays: Blake Snell, James Shields, Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, Randy Winn, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Joaquin Benoit, Larry Dierker - HOU, Fernando Rodney, Jonathan Lucroy - MIL

newarkwilder - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Dick Allen, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale, Catfish Hunter - NYY, David Robertson, Adrian Beltre - LAD, Keith Foulke, Jose Altuve - HOU

shaybee - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Magglio Ordonez, Johan Santana - MIN, Willie Hernandez, Kevin Brown - LAD, Curtis Granderson, Mark Eichhorn - TOR

mussopini23 - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Andrew McCutchen, Brian Giles, Jason Kendall, Willie Stargell, Justin Verlander - HOU, Rich Gossage, Madison Bumgarner - SFG, Freddy Sanchez, Wade Boggs - NYY

captmurphy - Colorado Rockies: DJ LeMahieu, Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Nolan Arenado, Troy Tulowitski, Jeff Bagwell - HOU, Ubaldo Jimenez, Don Wilson - HOU, Dexter Fowler, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD

good_beef - Minnesota Twins: Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Tony Oliva, Roy Smalley, Brian Dozier, Bill Singer - LAD, Harmon Killebrew, Jon Matlack - NYM, Lyman Bostock,

justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Robin Yount, Prince Fielder, Mike Caldwell, Teddy Higuera, CC Sabathia, HWMNBN - CIN, Ryan Braun, Chuck Knoblauch - MIN, Don Sutton, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH

rbow923 - Baltimore Orioles: Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, TSMOPPOAT, Chris Hoiles, Roberto Alomar, Ellis Burks - COL, Brady Anderson, Fred Lynn - BOS, Melvin Mora, Chad Green - NYY

tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Tim Raines, Vladimir Guerrero, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Pascual Perez, Tim Lincecum - SFG, Daniel Murphy, Jose Reyes - NYM, Stephen Strasberg,

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, John Olerud, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Joe Mauer - MIN, Roy Halladay, Paul O'Neill - NYY, BJ Ryan, Craig Kimbrel - BOS

buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox: Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra, Mookie Betts, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Mike Norris - OAK, Carlton Fisk, Tim Hudson - OAK, Chris Sale, Eddie Murray - BAL

sinfonian11 - Seattle Mariners: Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Derek Lowe - BOS, Cliff Lee, Ted Simmons - STL, JJ Putz, Kris Bryant - CHC

specsman - Cleveland Indians: Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, Kenny Lofton, Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, David Cone - KCR, Victor Martinez, Don Mattingly - NYY, Rafael Betancourt, Josh Donaldson - TOR

Chisock - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Barry Larkin, Tom Seaver, Johnny Cueto, Bryce Harper - MON/WSH, George Foster, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Aroldis Chapman, Wade Davis - KCR

trenchfoot - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Kevin Appier, Zack Greinke, Bret Saberhagen, Edgar Martinez - SEA, Roger Nelson, Trevor Story - COL, Carlos Beltran, Andy Van Slyke - PIT

bob_shabazz - Chicago Cubs: Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa, Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Matt Harvey - NYM, Rick Wilkins, Carlos Guillen - DET, Bruce Sutter, Hideo Nomo - LAD

Lincoln15 - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Jacob deGrom, Pedro Martinez, Mike Piazza, Mariano Rivera - NYY, John Olerud, Charlie Blackmon - COL, Lance Johnson, Matt Holliday - COL

atheistdeals - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Javy Lopez, Jim Thome - CLE, Rico Carty , Eric Davis - CIN

sakensei - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jeff Kent, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Jose Ramirez - CLE, Buster Posey, Ben Sheets - MIL, Rich Aurillia, Adam Dunn - CIN

ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals: Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Willie McGee, John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Blake Treinen - OAK, Joe Torre, Billy Williams - CHC, Adam Wainwright, Victor Martinez - DET

alleyviper - New York Yankees: Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Ron Guidry, Dave Righetti, Fritz Peterson, Chris Carpenter - STL, Bernie Williams, Bernie Carbo - CIN, Robinson Cano, Justin Morneau - MIN

nordawg - Los Angeles Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Kenley Jansen, Mike Piazza, Joey Votto - CIN, Manny Machado, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Brett Butler, Tommy Pham - TBR

pumpkinmcp - Oakland Athletics: Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi, Rickey Henderson, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Christian Yelich - MIL, Rich Hill, Manny Machado - BAL, Andrew Bailey, Norm Charlton - SEA

spoonfed - Houston Astros: Lance Berkman, Craig Biggio, JR Richard, Mike Scott, TSMOPOAT, AFTBOAT - STL, Roger Clemens, Gary Carter - MON/WSH, Cesar Cedeno, John Valentin - BOS
4/26/2019 7:11 AM (edited)
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Gonna go out on a limb and guess that I'll miss out on the ExpoNats for a 33rd consecutive season.
4/15/2019 9:04 AM
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Some food for thought as we move ahead. As of right now, we have 50 eligible seasons in this league (1969-2018). I thought that maybe as we (hopefully) keep going, we could keep it at 50 seasons. So, the oldest season would drop off every time we add a new season. Any thoughts?
4/15/2019 9:38 AM
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I like the idea if for no other reason than to shake things up. Dropping 1969 would impact the keepers of at least one franchise fairly significantly, and we would probably get 2 or 3 seasons in before the next year dropped off. I'm all for anything that adds some variety.
4/15/2019 10:06 AM
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Toronto Blue Jays
4/15/2019 10:09 AM
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for what it's worth, I think keeping more years available for drafting actually makes more franchises viable. I have a feeling the teams that would get hit hardest by shrinking the years available are the ones that already don't do particularly well (like CHW, PIT, BAL, off the top of my head) and your NYYs and HOUs would still do just fine.
4/15/2019 11:24 AM
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I like the idea of dropping '69. I'm not sure if it's going to mean for perfect competitive balance, but there are some pretty significant players for some of the more successful franchises who would get culled this way. Even the teams cited, just the White Sox for instance, don't really lose anything they use until 1971.
4/15/2019 11:43 AM
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There are only so many ways you can spice up Rule 5. I would be in favor of randomized divisions as an alternative?
4/15/2019 11:49 AM
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Posted by pumpkinmcp on 4/15/2019 11:43:00 AM (view original):
I like the idea of dropping '69. I'm not sure if it's going to mean for perfect competitive balance, but there are some pretty significant players for some of the more successful franchises who would get culled this way. Even the teams cited, just the White Sox for instance, don't really lose anything they use until 1971.
yeah I was admittedly thinking more down the road and not just 1969. I still think the more seasons the better, but I just don't think it's going to change the overall standings a huge amount (with basically one giant exception).
4/15/2019 11:53 AM
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As teams lose guys down the road they'll be continually adding players, though. It's not going to be well distributed but Rule V already isn't well-distributed. The nice thing is we're always going to have 2-3 seasons with any new set of 50 years to see how it's working out, and as the real MLB seasons play out we'll be able to look and see "oh hey, Player X is really killing it for Team Y, that'll be nice for them to add" to gauge if anyone is going to really be hurt when they're set to lose key players.

And if it's an awful idea we can always just revert back.
4/15/2019 12:02 PM
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Posted by captmurphy on 4/15/2019 11:49:00 AM (view original):
There are only so many ways you can spice up Rule 5. I would be in favor of randomized divisions as an alternative?
Randomized divisions sounds like a great way to change things up.
4/15/2019 1:33 PM
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