Posted by eschwartz67 on 11/29/2011 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Ok... Here is what Deano is likely saying (and correct me if I am wrong, Deano...) The HUGE discrepancy in yardage gained overcomes the smaller discrepancy of turnovers. Cam is WAY ahead in productivity in yards and total TDs produced, and Dalton is slightly ahead in turnovers (19 for Cam and 15 for Dalton). Just what I took from his argument. Which sounds valid to me. Even if he is a Patriots fan. And.... I'll add this.... we would all be talking about more wins that Cam had produced if his defense was as good as the Bengals has been. Talk about flying under the radar.... Check out their stats. They are very decent.
That's basically the crux of it. This is why ANY/A is a good stat- it accounts for sacks and gives a 20 yd bonus for TD's and a 45 yd penalty for INTs, so it's sort of a nice overall efficiency for passing stats that has more of a direct meaning than QB rating.
Cam beats Dalton 6.0 to 5.8, which shows that the INTs make it close but Newton still has the edge. What makes it even a little better is that he attempts more passes so teams can key in on him a bit more in gameplanning. What makes the gap way wider is the fact that Cam is a beast running the ball and Dalton is not. He vultures passing TDs from himself by running it in, so naturally his passing TD's make him look like a significantly less effective red zone weapon than he really is.
So when you add up A + B + C it's not really a debate imo. Never been a big believer in assigning W/L to one individual player, so I just discarded that part of the argument to avoid repetition.