It's always interesting to see the different ways other coaches approach aspects of the game. In recruiting, I typically look first for guys who interest me on the most important categories (for SF's, it's the 5 categories I listed), and then see if anything else disqualifies them or sets them apart.

So I probably wouldn't have even considered Johnson because of his lousy ATH/SPD for a SF, and likely wouldn't have even looked at things like his BH/PASS.

On the other hand, Walker's ATH/SPD would have caught my eye (but I probably ultimately would have avoided him too, largely because of his WE).

Good thing everyone doesn't always like the exact same recruits - makes the game more interesting. :)

For what it's worth, I rank the top ten SF you show above as follows:

1 Mike Shoemaker
2 John Sides
3 Darin Gilbert
4 Robert Yung
5 Merle Turner
6 James Roberts
7 Fred Luz
8 Michael Becker
9 Noel James
10 Jeffrey Francis
11 Russell Gehring

I have Walker just ahead of Johnson, but basically tied (318.75 to 318.5).

Both are ranked well ahead of Gehring (308), but below Francis (326). For comparison, I have Sides at 357 and Shoemaker at 371.

I basically agree with you though, I'd take Walker over Johnson every time. That's why I never rely completely on my rankings - just use them as a tool to identify potential targets, then look through the list and decide who I want to target.

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Red, I agree with you & the other guys about ATH for a SF & how it's important. What I'm saying is that I don't think you guys are considering "How Bad" Walker's WE is for a SF. Because a SF has to be at least average to good in all catergories, WE is more important in a SF than any other position and with Walker having an absolutely ****** WE "as in the friggin toilet" it works against his ATH. They basically cancel each other out and it's a wash. ATH embellishes all the other catergories, it's not a specific catergory all to itself, like BH or REB. Than all he has is his SP, compared to all the other catergories for Johnson. Who cares if he has good Athleticism if he never uses or applies it and tries to get better. He's just gonna be an average player his whole carrer. On the other hand, Johnson maybe a little on the slow side, but has the potential to be a great player. I'd be curious to see how much each of them, Walker and Johnson, improve this year as well as the years to follow and see how this plays out.

As of today, Walker has improved 13 points from 435 to 448, Johnson has improved 33 points from 458 to 490 (he's -1 in LP).

Nice to see one of my guys (PF Conrad Marcell) make the list... I thought I recruited a real great class for my first try ever in HD. I thought my SG Ian Lee may have been the one to make the list but he didn't quite make it... though having a great season and is up to 65 per and bombing 3s.

Court, that comparison with Johnson is not 100% fair on improvement. Walker is redshirted this year and with his WE and getting no minutes, he is not going to improve much this year. Johnson is getting minutes and shots this year which can up his improvement greatly.

I can appreciate your position but I just don't see how Walker is not superior to Johnson. The SP/ATH combo really boosts the other ratings and since he is still close in other cores, I think Walker will ultimately be the better player. We will see though.

Glad to see Nicolai hit the top 10. He was a late find after I lost out on French early.

Regarding improvement, I think I've mentioned this before, but the ratings are based purely on recruits' raw skills. WE is not a "skill" per se and therefore plays only a marginal role in the ratings. Further, with the introduction of potential, a recruit's growth capacity is only partially driven by WE.

I've given some thought to more heavily incorporating WE into the ratings but have yet to bake that in.

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