D1	D2	D3	Season	Status
Phelan	105	71	80	101	Mid New coach sign up
Iba	96	88	73	91	Job period
Tark	106	85	93	121	Early season
Allen	103	106	159	90	Early season
Naismith	116	102	145	92	Mid Season
Wooden	97	119	345	92	Mid Season
Rupp	107	77	112	92	Mid Season
Smith	101	92	123	92	Post new coach sign up
Crum	101	77	123	86	Postseason
Knight	101	77	86	101	Mid Season

Updated 3/30/17

	D1	D2	D3	Total	Season	Status
Phelan	103	71	98	272	104	Mid Season
Tark	108	74	81	263	124	Post Season
Allen	100	86	105	291	92	Early Season

It actually is better than expected.

wow that is a huge drop from what i half remember from the last time i ran population data. wow.

I don't know what conclusions you can take from the above numbers since they are inundated in the free season promotion. A lot of that D3 pool in Wooden is sitting there ghost-shipping. The big question is how much of that D3 action remains part of the game when it has to become a part of the paying customer base. If the game retains it, then great. If not, then this has been an experiment in idiocy rejected both by the users who have anchored the game for years and by the "new interest" that it was redesigned to garner.

I seriously doubt WIS did any sort of focus group study to see what both their current users and non-playing target customer demographic base wanted before seble just started idly screwing with things because someone decided change was needed.

well, you can't take much from the d3 numbers, but you can take plenty from at least the d1 numbers, right? d1 was horribly broken in the old version, that was the primary complaint. if d1 pop got a lot worse, that is a pretty clear sign...

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=495032

actually this one is probably better - that above is like shortly after the new game. this is back in feb of 2016 before the new game, when i was shocked by how far pop had fallen. i suppose if the downward slope was taking into account, pop today would be a lot lower. would be interesting to see the graphs to see if the rate of player loss has improved or gotten worse?

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=492141

DI dropoff should have been expected. A concentration of long time customers, who generally liked the game. Big changes lose some of those customers - how many depends on the changes and the way they are introduced, but some loss would be inevitable - either customers leave or reduce number of teams they play.

Add to it the fact that a number of the changes reduce the benefits of being an elite program - in various ways - and one can argue about how much - but clearly some.

Loss of DI veterans to be expected. Whether long term added customers offset remains to be seen.

Posted by rednu on 12/20/2016 6:47:00 PM (view original):
I don't know what conclusions you can take from the above numbers since they are inundated in the free season promotion. A lot of that D3 pool in Wooden is sitting there ghost-shipping. The big question is how much of that D3 action remains part of the game when it has to become a part of the paying customer base. If the game retains it, then great. If not, then this has been an experiment in idiocy rejected both by the users who have anchored the game for years and by the "new interest" that it was redesigned to garner.

I seriously doubt WIS did any sort of focus group study to see what both their current users and non-playing target customer demographic base wanted before seble just started idly screwing with things because someone decided change was needed.

Wow. Pretty much took the words out of my mouth.

Posted by gillispie1 on 12/20/2016 6:55:00 PM (view original):
well, you can't take much from the d3 numbers, but you can take plenty from at least the d1 numbers, right? d1 was horribly broken in the old version, that was the primary complaint. if d1 pop got a lot worse, that is a pretty clear sign...

Not really. New users don't sign up as D1. Long-time users didn't like the change and left. D1 numbers show that. Nothing more, nothing less.

You cannot make anything out of D1 numbers right now. It's all about increases in D3 and whether people stick around. New players got to start somewhere.

Stick around and possibly take more teams. My guess is that many of the established veterans that despised the change had more than 1 team.

I've gone down to 1 team and am dropping it even with 4 seasons left after this current season.

Don't see the point of wasting time until they fix the game.

See, snafu4u? I can respect someone who hates the game and actually quits. Sticking around to play a game you hate because you have credits makes no sense to me.

I'm starting my 3rd season in D3 Phelan and I'm hooked already. Planning on adding a second team very soon. I realize I have no basis for comparison to the old version of the game, but just wanted to offer a new user's perspective. There are some of us out there that really like the new product and are excited for the chance to move up the ranks.

Posted by slayterhill on 12/21/2016 10:51:00 AM (view original):
I'm starting my 3rd season in D3 Phelan and I'm hooked already. Planning on adding a second team very soon. I realize I have no basis for comparison to the old version of the game, but just wanted to offer a new user's perspective. There are some of us out there that really like the new product and are excited for the chance to move up the ranks.

Awesome! Welcome slayter!

Just curious - how'd you hear about the game?