Posted by tangplay on 12/31/2017 5:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/31/2017 5:12:00 PM (view original):
White privilege: Advantages both social and economic that benefit people identified as white beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same circumstances. Example: Because I am white bad_luck thinks I can get jobs easier than an African American or Asian American person. Yet Asian Americans statistically earn the most in the U.S. But stats don't matter to bad_luck because he is an idiot.

'Get Jobs easier'
'Asians earn the most'
False equivalence

HOW?!??!!? You idiot?!?!?! NO!!!

Please never respond to my posts again. You are a moron.

Posted by DougOut on 12/31/2017 5:53:00 PM (view original):
I must now assume WHITE PRIVILEGE prevents the opposition from making complete sentences or thought process.

When and where will this insidious evil ever end?

tangplay is an idiot who lives in a fantasy world.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/1/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/31/2017 5:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/31/2017 5:12:00 PM (view original):
White privilege: Advantages both social and economic that benefit people identified as white beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same circumstances. Example: Because I am white bad_luck thinks I can get jobs easier than an African American or Asian American person. Yet Asian Americans statistically earn the most in the U.S. But stats don't matter to bad_luck because he is an idiot.

'Get Jobs easier'
'Asians earn the most'
False equivalence

HOW?!??!!? You idiot?!?!?! NO!!!

Please never respond to my posts again. You are a moron.

OK let me break it down for you. YOU were talking about white privilege meaning 'getting jobs easier', which I agree with. Then, you go on to prove that claim by saying, 'Asian Americans earn the most in the US'. This statistic means nothing in the context of your argument. Asian Americans can be discriminated against and still earn the most. It's pretty obvious that there is a stereotype around Asian Americans that they are 'smarter' than the rest of us. So just finding that statistic out of context really means nothing because it is a completely different issue. You proved nothing.

Did some quick research, here are some examples I found:
'

As they describe in two working papers, Redzo Mujcic and Paul Frijters, economists at the University of Queensland, trained and assigned 29 young adult testers (from both genders and different ethnic groups) to board public buses in Brisbane and insert an empty fare card into the bus scanner. After the scanner made a loud sound informing the driver that the card did not have enough value, the testers said, “I do not have any money, but I need to get to” a station about 1.2 miles away. (The station varied according to where the testers boarded.)

With more than 1,500 observations, the study uncovered substantial, statistically significant race discrimination. Bus drivers were twice as willing to let white testers ride free as black testers (72 percent versus 36 percent of the time). Bus drivers showed some relative favoritism toward testers who shared their own race, but even black drivers still favored white testers over black testers (allowing free rides 83 percent versus 68 percent of the time).

The study also found that racial disparities persisted when the testers wore business attire or dressed in army uniforms. For example, testers wearing army uniforms were allowed to ride free 97 percent of the time if they were white, but only 77 percent of the time if they were black.' - NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html

https://www.thenewprogressive.net/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/ also gives a TON of statistics, in almost every category.

https://www.theroot.com/yes-you-can-measure-white-privilege-1794303451 - More statistics.

We KNOW from quotes by Nixon and others that things like the War on Drugs and redlining was made to create the 'hood' and to keep black people out of suburbs and good 'white' jobs, this is not speculation, we KNOW this.

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." - CNN

And we can see it's impact in the world today.

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 12:09:00 PM (view original):
Did some quick research, here are some examples I found:
'

As they describe in two working papers, Redzo Mujcic and Paul Frijters, economists at the University of Queensland, trained and assigned 29 young adult testers (from both genders and different ethnic groups) to board public buses in Brisbane and insert an empty fare card into the bus scanner. After the scanner made a loud sound informing the driver that the card did not have enough value, the testers said, “I do not have any money, but I need to get to” a station about 1.2 miles away. (The station varied according to where the testers boarded.)

With more than 1,500 observations, the study uncovered substantial, statistically significant race discrimination. Bus drivers were twice as willing to let white testers ride free as black testers (72 percent versus 36 percent of the time). Bus drivers showed some relative favoritism toward testers who shared their own race, but even black drivers still favored white testers over black testers (allowing free rides 83 percent versus 68 percent of the time).

The study also found that racial disparities persisted when the testers wore business attire or dressed in army uniforms. For example, testers wearing army uniforms were allowed to ride free 97 percent of the time if they were white, but only 77 percent of the time if they were black.' - NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html

https://www.thenewprogressive.net/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/ also gives a TON of statistics, in almost every category.

https://www.theroot.com/yes-you-can-measure-white-privilege-1794303451 - More statistics.

We KNOW from quotes by Nixon and others that things like the War on Drugs and redlining was made to create the 'hood' and to keep black people out of suburbs and good 'white' jobs, this is not speculation, we KNOW this.

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." - CNN

And we can see it's impact in the world today.

Regarding the impact in the world today...

Are you referring to Paul Frijters claim to racism in Queensland OR John Ehrlichman?

I ask because the Dan Baum interview was done in 1994. 23 years ago. 1968 was 49 years ago. Baum alludes to the long since deceased Ehrlichman as overweight and beaten. For all I know he had Alzheimers. The point is he's dead and the guy reporting just cashed a check from Harpers.

NOW it's important for YOU to realize the majority of Americans distrust of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. Not only has it been proven repeatedly in a major way in the last few years, it has been known and suspected and pointed out repeatedly for decades and DONALD TRUMP identified it, labeled it and blew it up.
Once you've been labeled by TRUMP...you may as well crawl in a hole. BUT THE FAKE NEWS marches on like nothing ever happened.

Now I'm gonna look into this Baum guy right after I post this, but the whole point of this exercise is not to argue what Dan Baum recalls from a quarter century ago against a defenseless corpse in the ground about...(You guys really need to move on)...Watergate.

MY CURRENT ***** IS.......DO YOU UNDERFUCKINGSTAND OR EVEN READ WHAT YOU POST? You post a lot of crap. You just see it and copy and paste it. You should really read it and understand it first. The 1960's are over. I only say this as a compassionate individual because I cringe to see you humiliated like this. PLUSEWISE I'M LAZY and I don't care to spend my valuable time correcting you. HOWEVER...I won't allow this kind of disinformation to pass as truth or with a veil of respectability. That's all. That's all I want. That's all this little response is about.

PLEASE read it before you post it. If I have to respond to a point or argument, at least make it somewhat believable or valid. THANKS!

Posted by DougOut on 1/1/2018 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 12:09:00 PM (view original):
Did some quick research, here are some examples I found:
'

As they describe in two working papers, Redzo Mujcic and Paul Frijters, economists at the University of Queensland, trained and assigned 29 young adult testers (from both genders and different ethnic groups) to board public buses in Brisbane and insert an empty fare card into the bus scanner. After the scanner made a loud sound informing the driver that the card did not have enough value, the testers said, “I do not have any money, but I need to get to” a station about 1.2 miles away. (The station varied according to where the testers boarded.)

With more than 1,500 observations, the study uncovered substantial, statistically significant race discrimination. Bus drivers were twice as willing to let white testers ride free as black testers (72 percent versus 36 percent of the time). Bus drivers showed some relative favoritism toward testers who shared their own race, but even black drivers still favored white testers over black testers (allowing free rides 83 percent versus 68 percent of the time).

The study also found that racial disparities persisted when the testers wore business attire or dressed in army uniforms. For example, testers wearing army uniforms were allowed to ride free 97 percent of the time if they were white, but only 77 percent of the time if they were black.' - NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html

https://www.thenewprogressive.net/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/ also gives a TON of statistics, in almost every category.

https://www.theroot.com/yes-you-can-measure-white-privilege-1794303451 - More statistics.

We KNOW from quotes by Nixon and others that things like the War on Drugs and redlining was made to create the 'hood' and to keep black people out of suburbs and good 'white' jobs, this is not speculation, we KNOW this.

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." - CNN

And we can see it's impact in the world today.

Regarding the impact in the world today...

Are you referring to Paul Frijters claim to racism in Queensland OR John Ehrlichman?

I was referring to my last point about the war on drugs and redlining, as the statistics in my second and third link back up my claim directly.

• Blacks are less than 13% of the U.S. population, and they make up only 14% of regular drug users, but they are 37% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 56% of those in state prisons for drug offenses.^[9]
• Black kids are 10 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes than white kids ^[11]—even though white kids are more likely to abuse drugs^[11].
• In Seattle in 2002, “African Americans constituted 16% of observed drug dealers for the five most dangerous drugs but 64% of drug dealing arrests for those drugs.”^[13]
• In the late 1990s, black and white women had similar levels of drug use during pregnancy, but black women were 10 times as likely as white women to be reported to child services for prenatal drug use.^[14

The stats also show the the war on drugs that Nixon wanted succeeded, as the above shows, however the war on drugs certainly did not slow down drug use in the slightest.

I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

WHAT? Speak English. And thanks for giving us the NEW PROGRESSIVE as your source material.

Well...if those numbers are true...it only shows how bad OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS treated people of color over the last 8 years.

Why does democrat run Seattle go after blacks? Why is all this stuff going on in democrat run cities? Are you saying democrats are racists?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

You pointed out the flaw in your argument yourself. First, the college thing is some BS. There are programs to help minorities because white people statistically go to ad graduate college more than black or Hispanics. And again, the issue is not committing crimes (both races do it about equally) it is going to JAIL for those crimes, which black people do MUCH more than whites. Additionally, I was at a poverty simulation once. There were about 200 people in the room. The leader said, "Everyone who has been pulled and taken out of their car by the police, stand up." About 10 black people stood up, and only 3 white people did, and white people outnumbered black people in the room 2:1. This all leads to your last point about your son. Now, I would assume that your son grew up with good leadership and in a nice household with good parents like you. But Black people statistically have a less likely chance of that happening. Again, more black people grow to jail and due to the racism in the suburbs and Nixon policies giving them drugs, the mentality around the 'hood' was created. So, yeah, in the end you make your own choices. But when the only thing you grow up with is a dad going in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc, yeah, you may not have the best life either.

Posted by DougOut on 1/1/2018 1:23:00 PM (view original):
WHAT? Speak English. And thanks for giving us the NEW PROGRESSIVE as your source material.

Well...if those numbers are true...it only shows how bad OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS treated people of color over the last 8 years.

Why does democrat run Seattle go after blacks? Why is all this stuff going on in democrat run cities? Are you saying democrats are racists?

You are SUCH an idiot.

Not all of this can be traced to Obama. The Seattle statistic was from the 90's. And Obama was in power for 8 years. This is mostly traced back to slavery, the 60's, Nixon, and Reagan IMO. Also, about 40% of people in Seattle are republicans. And nobody in this situation is 'racist' necessarily. This is what I like to call a 'give up' argument. This debate is beyond party lines.

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

You pointed out the flaw in your argument yourself. First, the college thing is some BS. There are programs to help minorities because white people statistically go to ad graduate college more than black or Hispanics. And again, the issue is not committing crimes (both races do it about equally) it is going to JAIL for those crimes, which black people do MUCH more than whites. Additionally, I was at a poverty simulation once. There were about 200 people in the room. The leader said, "Everyone who has been pulled and taken out of their car by the police, stand up." About 10 black people stood up, and only 3 white people did, and white people outnumbered black people in the room 2:1. This all leads to your last point about your son. Now, I would assume that your son grew up with good leadership and in a nice household with good parents like you. But Black people statistically have a less likely chance of that happening. Again, more black people grow to jail and due to the racism in the suburbs and Nixon policies giving them drugs, the mentality around the 'hood' was created. So, yeah, in the end you make your own choices. But when the only thing you grow up with is a dad going in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc, yeah, you may not have the best life either.

My son grew up with a mother who was 14 years older than him and a father in jail. That's why I adopted him

Why are you quoting 1990 statistics? I didn't post them. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. The 1960s are over and Nixon and Reagan are dead. The majority of voters in Seattle are Democrats. And if nobody is racist then why do you post it? You should give up this argument and it is beyond party lines.

I would rather we agree on something instead of resist.

I wouldn't mind a new and improved infrastructure bill.

Once again, it's all about personal choice. I would recommend that everyone read "7 habits of highly effective people." Your environment doesn't define you, your choices do.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

You pointed out the flaw in your argument yourself. First, the college thing is some BS. There are programs to help minorities because white people statistically go to ad graduate college more than black or Hispanics. And again, the issue is not committing crimes (both races do it about equally) it is going to JAIL for those crimes, which black people do MUCH more than whites. Additionally, I was at a poverty simulation once. There were about 200 people in the room. The leader said, "Everyone who has been pulled and taken out of their car by the police, stand up." About 10 black people stood up, and only 3 white people did, and white people outnumbered black people in the room 2:1. This all leads to your last point about your son. Now, I would assume that your son grew up with good leadership and in a nice household with good parents like you. But Black people statistically have a less likely chance of that happening. Again, more black people grow to jail and due to the racism in the suburbs and Nixon policies giving them drugs, the mentality around the 'hood' was created. So, yeah, in the end you make your own choices. But when the only thing you grow up with is a dad going in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc, yeah, you may not have the best life either.

My son grew up with a mother who was 14 years older than him and a father in jail. That's why I adopted him

And then you raised him. 14 isn't THAT old.

Posted by DougOut on 1/1/2018 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Why are you quoting 1990 statistics? I didn't post them. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. The 1960s are over and Nixon and Reagan are dead. The majority of voters in Seattle are Democrats. And if nobody is racist then why do you post it? You should give up this argument and it is beyond party lines.

I would rather we agree on something instead of resist.

I wouldn't mind a new and improved infrastructure bill.

Because the statistics presumably still hold true today. And as the statistics show, THE IMPACT OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THINGS ARE STILL AROUND. And some people are racist others are not.