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Posted by wylie715 on 5/4/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I find it scary that a guy who makes fun of handicapped people, makes sexist and racist remarks and seems totally oblivious to what life is like for the average American got elected. Granted, a lot had to do with his totally unlikeable opponent, but still. I also find it scary that no matter what kind of stupid thing he does, his supporters seem okay with it. I don't know how smart he is. The idiotic tweets he sends out are filled with misspelling. Listening to him speak, he does not come across as very intelligent. Maybe I'm wrong and he is very smart, but I haven't seen it yet.

You're right, the fate of the country is more important that the president's morals. I didn't really care when Clinton got into trouble for his sexual escapades and I don't really care when Trump does it. That is between him and his wife. I haven't seen much to indicate Trump is doing much for the fate of the country.

I'm not sure that Trump has had an impact on the country's success, but I think it would be tough to prove that the country is struggling under his watch. It's really hard to quantify how much of an impact a president has on the country. 6 months from things could come crashing down, but right now things are good.

What are your top priorities?

From the government, national security and infrastructure. I want them to stay out of everything else.

Anarchist?

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 12:36:00 PM (view original):
1. Free college
2. $15/hour minimum wage.

1. I don't think this should necessarily be dismissed out of hand.If money were not an issue, we would have already done it. It is beneficial. What is wrong with it?
2. Yeah, this is pretty dumb.

First off, money is in an issue. Secondly, when people are attending for free they have less of an incentive to give effort. There are already enough kids going for half of a semester and then quitting. That number would skyrocket even higher if they had nothing invested.

There are already plenty of post secondary options that are affordable for everyone. Tech schools and community colleges are super cheap and about every town has one.

Also, the government is already flipping the bill for 12 years of education. They should not have to do it for four more, but they do by way of PELL grant.

Point is, free college is a terrible idea. It's an attractive idea to young people, but it's dumb.

First off, yes it is but we could either
a) Cut the military budget slightly
b) Raise the top 1%'s taxes by 1%.

Also why is that a big issue? If people don't give effort, they drop out, that's their responsibility. That's their choice. No harm done.

The issue, I think, is debt and community colleges are not super cheap.

PELL grants are also super important, and education is a right and necessity in a civilized society. I think education should be a higher priority than military in a Utopian society.

You have already mentioned about 20 areas where you would raise the top %1 taxes. That's a 20% raise. As I thought, you want to take everything the rich has EARNED.

Its a big deal when kids drop out because every student costs the school money. When they drop out, that money is wasted.

Community colleges cost, on average, $3300 per year. They are much cheaper where you and I live. You can pay for that by getting a minimum wage job.

College education is not a RIGHT.

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:38:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by wylie715 on 5/4/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I find it scary that a guy who makes fun of handicapped people, makes sexist and racist remarks and seems totally oblivious to what life is like for the average American got elected. Granted, a lot had to do with his totally unlikeable opponent, but still. I also find it scary that no matter what kind of stupid thing he does, his supporters seem okay with it. I don't know how smart he is. The idiotic tweets he sends out are filled with misspelling. Listening to him speak, he does not come across as very intelligent. Maybe I'm wrong and he is very smart, but I haven't seen it yet.

You're right, the fate of the country is more important that the president's morals. I didn't really care when Clinton got into trouble for his sexual escapades and I don't really care when Trump does it. That is between him and his wife. I haven't seen much to indicate Trump is doing much for the fate of the country.

I'm not sure that Trump has had an impact on the country's success, but I think it would be tough to prove that the country is struggling under his watch. It's really hard to quantify how much of an impact a president has on the country. 6 months from things could come crashing down, but right now things are good.

What are your top priorities?

From the government, national security and infrastructure. I want them to stay out of everything else.

Anarchist?

Huh? Do you know what an anarchist is? I'm a libertarian.

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Also, as far as free education goes. TN offers the first two years for free. It is funded by the lottery, so essentially the poor are paying for the upper middle class to go to school. That is just wrong.

Wow!! You mean like a toll highway In Oklahoma???.. All those poor dumb middle class peons paying tolls to commute to their cubicles and counters, warehouses, etc...... paying for the road's cost and maintenance......... while the rich ******* gets to use the road IF and when he needs it at a pittance of expense to him for travel.

Somebody do the math!! Who gets the shaft on toll roads??
A tiny clue........ IT ain't the 2% at the top.

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:47:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 12:36:00 PM (view original):
1. Free college
2. $15/hour minimum wage.

1. I don't think this should necessarily be dismissed out of hand.If money were not an issue, we would have already done it. It is beneficial. What is wrong with it?
2. Yeah, this is pretty dumb.

First off, money is in an issue. Secondly, when people are attending for free they have less of an incentive to give effort. There are already enough kids going for half of a semester and then quitting. That number would skyrocket even higher if they had nothing invested.

There are already plenty of post secondary options that are affordable for everyone. Tech schools and community colleges are super cheap and about every town has one.

Also, the government is already flipping the bill for 12 years of education. They should not have to do it for four more, but they do by way of PELL grant.

Point is, free college is a terrible idea. It's an attractive idea to young people, but it's dumb.

First off, yes it is but we could either
a) Cut the military budget slightly
b) Raise the top 1%'s taxes by 1%.

Also why is that a big issue? If people don't give effort, they drop out, that's their responsibility. That's their choice. No harm done.

The issue, I think, is debt and community colleges are not super cheap.

PELL grants are also super important, and education is a right and necessity in a civilized society. I think education should be a higher priority than military in a Utopian society.

You have already mentioned about 20 areas where you would raise the top %1 taxes. That's a 20% raise. As I thought, you want to take everything the rich has EARNED.

Its a big deal when kids drop out because every student costs the school money. When they drop out, that money is wasted.

Community colleges cost, on average, $3300 per year. They are much cheaper where you and I live. You can pay for that by getting a minimum wage job.

College education is not a RIGHT.

It's 1%. Chill out. The rich are still rich. They will survive. Woe is them.

The school wouldn't be paying for the students. How much money we talking? If a student costs the school money, then when they drop out is the money saved?

I think it should be.

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Posted by wylie715 on 5/4/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I find it scary that a guy who makes fun of handicapped people, makes sexist and racist remarks and seems totally oblivious to what life is like for the average American got elected. Granted, a lot had to do with his totally unlikeable opponent, but still. I also find it scary that no matter what kind of stupid thing he does, his supporters seem okay with it. I don't know how smart he is. The idiotic tweets he sends out are filled with misspelling. Listening to him speak, he does not come across as very intelligent. Maybe I'm wrong and he is very smart, but I haven't seen it yet.

You're right, the fate of the country is more important that the president's morals. I didn't really care when Clinton got into trouble for his sexual escapades and I don't really care when Trump does it. That is between him and his wife. I haven't seen much to indicate Trump is doing much for the fate of the country.

I'm not sure that Trump has had an impact on the country's success, but I think it would be tough to prove that the country is struggling under his watch. It's really hard to quantify how much of an impact a president has on the country. 6 months from things could come crashing down, but right now things are good.

What are your top priorities?

From the government, national security and infrastructure. I want them to stay out of everything else.

Anarchist?

Huh? Do you know what an anarchist is? I'm a libertarian.

Yes. I know what an anarchist is. It's just the way you phrased it.

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 12:36:00 PM (view original):
1. Free college
2. $15/hour minimum wage.

1. I don't think this should necessarily be dismissed out of hand.If money were not an issue, we would have already done it. It is beneficial. What is wrong with it?
2. Yeah, this is pretty dumb.

First off, money is in an issue. Secondly, when people are attending for free they have less of an incentive to give effort. There are already enough kids going for half of a semester and then quitting. That number would skyrocket even higher if they had nothing invested.

There are already plenty of post secondary options that are affordable for everyone. Tech schools and community colleges are super cheap and about every town has one.

Also, the government is already flipping the bill for 12 years of education. They should not have to do it for four more, but they do by way of PELL grant.

Point is, free college is a terrible idea. It's an attractive idea to young people, but it's dumb.

First off, yes it is but we could either
a) Cut the military budget slightly
b) Raise the top 1%'s taxes by 1%.

Also why is that a big issue? If people don't give effort, they drop out, that's their responsibility. That's their choice. No harm done.

The issue, I think, is debt and community colleges are not super cheap.

PELL grants are also super important, and education is a right and necessity in a civilized society. I think education should be a higher priority than military in a Utopian society.

You have already mentioned about 20 areas where you would raise the top %1 taxes. That's a 20% raise. As I thought, you want to take everything the rich has EARNED.

Its a big deal when kids drop out because every student costs the school money. When they drop out, that money is wasted.

Community colleges cost, on average, $3300 per year. They are much cheaper where you and I live. You can pay for that by getting a minimum wage job.

College education is not a RIGHT.

It's 1%. Chill out. The rich are still rich. They will survive. Woe is them.

The school wouldn't be paying for the students. How much money we talking? If a student costs the school money, then when they drop out is the money saved?

I think it should be.

Learn to read. In your hypotheticals, you have now raised the taxes on the top 1% by 20%.

Why should it be a right? In my opinion, for something to be a "right" it can't involve taking from others. Life is right despite what liberals think.

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 12:36:00 PM (view original):
1. Free college
2. $15/hour minimum wage.

1. I don't think this should necessarily be dismissed out of hand.If money were not an issue, we would have already done it. It is beneficial. What is wrong with it?
2. Yeah, this is pretty dumb.

First off, money is in an issue. Secondly, when people are attending for free they have less of an incentive to give effort. There are already enough kids going for half of a semester and then quitting. That number would skyrocket even higher if they had nothing invested.

There are already plenty of post secondary options that are affordable for everyone. Tech schools and community colleges are super cheap and about every town has one.

Also, the government is already flipping the bill for 12 years of education. They should not have to do it for four more, but they do by way of PELL grant.

Point is, free college is a terrible idea. It's an attractive idea to young people, but it's dumb.

First off, yes it is but we could either
a) Cut the military budget slightly
b) Raise the top 1%'s taxes by 1%.

Also why is that a big issue? If people don't give effort, they drop out, that's their responsibility. That's their choice. No harm done.

The issue, I think, is debt and community colleges are not super cheap.

PELL grants are also super important, and education is a right and necessity in a civilized society. I think education should be a higher priority than military in a Utopian society.

You have already mentioned about 20 areas where you would raise the top %1 taxes. That's a 20% raise. As I thought, you want to take everything the rich has EARNED.

Its a big deal when kids drop out because every student costs the school money. When they drop out, that money is wasted.

Community colleges cost, on average, $3300 per year. They are much cheaper where you and I live. You can pay for that by getting a minimum wage job.

College education is not a RIGHT.

It's 1%. Chill out. The rich are still rich. They will survive. Woe is them.

The school wouldn't be paying for the students. How much money we talking? If a student costs the school money, then when they drop out is the money saved?

I think it should be.

Learn to read. In your hypotheticals, you have now raised the taxes on the top 1% by 20%.

Why should it be a right? In my opinion, for something to be a "right" it can't involve taking from others. Life is right despite what liberals think.

It's a 1% raise. Not a 20% raise. What part of that confuses you?

Is freedom a right? If so, why were slaves taken away?

The part where you've suggested a 1% tax hike on the rich on about 20 different issues. I know you went to Kansas public schools, but 20x1=20.

Freedom is a right. Owning slaves was not a right. It was a "privilege". I use that term losely because I'm not sure you can call such a heinous act a privilege. If it impedes on someone else's life, it is not a right IMO.

I have explained to tangplay that the military budget is miniscule compared to entitlements. Since tangplay is clueless he forgets. Slaves were taken away because the South lost the war. Do you need to learn American history too?

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 12:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 5/4/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I find it scary that a guy who makes fun of handicapped people, makes sexist and racist remarks and seems totally oblivious to what life is like for the average American got elected. Granted, a lot had to do with his totally unlikeable opponent, but still. I also find it scary that no matter what kind of stupid thing he does, his supporters seem okay with it. I don't know how smart he is. The idiotic tweets he sends out are filled with misspelling. Listening to him speak, he does not come across as very intelligent. Maybe I'm wrong and he is very smart, but I haven't seen it yet.

You're right, the fate of the country is more important that the president's morals. I didn't really care when Clinton got into trouble for his sexual escapades and I don't really care when Trump does it. That is between him and his wife. I haven't seen much to indicate Trump is doing much for the fate of the country.

I'm not sure that Trump has had an impact on the country's success, but I think it would be tough to prove that the country is struggling under his watch. It's really hard to quantify how much of an impact a president has on the country. 6 months from things could come crashing down, but right now things are good.

by that same logic you couldn't say the country struggled under Obama, but I can't tell you how many times I've heard republicans say he was the worst president ever.

True, but I think it's become accepted that the sitting president takes the credit or the blame for the country.

Republicans on here are going to wear me out about this, but I've always believed that a president should be judged based on how the country does the first 2 terms after he leaves office.

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 2:32:00 PM (view original):
The part where you've suggested a 1% tax hike on the rich on about 20 different issues. I know you went to Kansas public schools, but 20x1=20.

Freedom is a right. Owning slaves was not a right. It was a "privilege". I use that term losely because I'm not sure you can call such a heinous act a privilege. If it impedes on someone else's life, it is not a right IMO.

I think I have only suggested it on two issues. Maybe three.

OK so would the rich not paying taxes 'impede' on someone's chance of going to college? If we look at as a right, then yeah.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/4/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):
I have explained to tangplay that the military budget is miniscule compared to entitlements. Since tangplay is clueless he forgets. Slaves were taken away because the South lost the war. Do you need to learn American history too?

No, you have not.

And slaves were taken away because slavery is an immoral thing to do and one person's freedom to own slaves doesn't go over another person's freedom to live.

Posted by tangplay on 5/4/2018 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 2:32:00 PM (view original):
The part where you've suggested a 1% tax hike on the rich on about 20 different issues. I know you went to Kansas public schools, but 20x1=20.

Freedom is a right. Owning slaves was not a right. It was a "privilege". I use that term losely because I'm not sure you can call such a heinous act a privilege. If it impedes on someone else's life, it is not a right IMO.

I think I have only suggested it on two issues. Maybe three.

OK so would the rich not paying taxes 'impede' on someone's chance of going to college? If we look at as a right, then yeah.

First off, it's not a right. Secondly, college is already free for the poor, so there is no need to tax the rich more in this instance.

As I said earlier, the average cost of a community college is $3,300. The average PELL grant award is $3,541. And if a kid truly cares about getting an education, there are 1,000s of scholarships that they could apply for.

This is just another attempt for the liberals to take away from the "evil" rich.