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"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.
Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.
Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.






No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.
Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

Jesus, maybe shoot alexjonesbukakisbenshapiro.com an email and let them know their numbers are out of date. The CBO rounds the outlays up to an even $4 trillion. Every other place lists actual outlays at $3.9 trillion.
Budget request for FY2018. On March 16, 2017 President Trump submitted his request to Congress for $639 billion in military spending—$54 billion—which represents a 10 percent increase—for FY 2018 as well as $30 billion for FY2017 which ends in September.

Where did your $800Bn+ Number come from?
So we're just going to ignore the fact that your chart was completely wrong? OK.

You're forgetting the cost of wars, referred to in the budget as OCO.

DOD base budget actual spending in 2017 was $523.2B. Then you have the almost $200B OCO, defense spending totals $818B.
For 2018, the enacted budget has a base of $574.5B plus OCO of another $200B, totalling $874.4B
Wars are not recurring. Well they are these days. So mine is wrong and yours is right? LMAO.

So you don't think we need to address entitlements? You want free healthcare for all? You think that the current welfare programs are run well. You think Medicaid is run well?

And the cost of wars, recurring or not, count toward the defense budget. So yeah, I'm right, you're wrong.




I think we need an expansion of entitlements. Public healthcare, maybe even a minimum guaranteed income.
Then you're out of touch with reality. We were discussing budget not wars. So going forward. Cannot predict one time expenses going forward. I am right and you're wrong. You're also stupid but I am wasting my time explaining why giving stuff for free doesn't work.

Why do you think we need public health? Defend that statement. Bet you can't.
They aren't one time expenses. They are an ongoing part of the budget. Trump included OCO in his 2018 and 2019 proposals.

Why do we need public healthcare? Because people, in ******* America, die from preventable diseases because they can't afford insurance (or the cost of the care they need). And it's not just like...one crazy person a year.

Relatively young, otherwise able-bodied people, who work jobs and live normal lives die from **** like type 1 diabetes because they don't have insurance and can't afford insulin. It's insane.
People would die without food too. Should we open up the supermarkets and let people take what they want? LMAO.

Your argument is retarded. Like all your arguments.
That's why we have food stamps and welfare.
Food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? So I can go to a store and by $1000 worth of food daily?
9/21/2018 6:28 PM
NFW Doug. he he he
9/21/2018 7:01 PM

Food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? So I can go to a store and by $1000 worth of food daily?


Oh cool, you moved the goal posts. Didn’t realize that people would die without $1000 a day in food.
9/21/2018 7:08 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? So I can go to a store and by $1000 worth of food daily?


Oh cool, you moved the goal posts. Didn’t realize that people would die without $1000 a day in food.
So people would die if they didn't go to the MD daily? Are you saying Medicaid is given to those that only truly need it and use it on an as needed basis? How much is enough to survive? So you're saying food stamps are finite, correct? Why isn't Medicare finite?
9/21/2018 7:13 PM
why isn't this argument finite?
9/21/2018 7:14 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 7:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? So I can go to a store and by $1000 worth of food daily?


Oh cool, you moved the goal posts. Didn’t realize that people would die without $1000 a day in food.
So people would die if they didn't go to the MD daily? Are you saying Medicaid is given to those that only truly need it and use it on an as needed basis? How much is enough to survive? So you're saying food stamps are finite, correct? Why isn't Medicare finite?
I’m sure there’s someone that would die without daily treatment, but no, people don’t generally need to go to the dr daily, that’s why eating was a bad analogy.
9/21/2018 7:25 PM
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Posted by all3 on 9/21/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):
"We . . . who? I don't know that. No source I can find knows that. Did I catch you making things up yet again? While you're correct that the "true" rate can probably never be calculated, if you actually believe it's anywhere close to that 10% figure, you're even more naive than I thought, which is hard to imagine.
Tang doesnt get basic math.

Gov't earns $100.
Gov't spends $120
Gov't is $20 in the red.
Military costs $16. Entitlement cost $66.
Tang says cut military!!!!!
Tang cannot do basic math. Arguing with him is insanity.
Your proportions are off.

More like the government spends $1,000 in 2017.

Broken down:

$210 defense
$250 disability and social security (along with a bunch of other stuff - black lung disability trust fund, disabled miners, rail worker pensions, etc.)
$280 health care (mostly medicare and medicaid but also other public health services)

$90 welfare (unemployment, food stamps, other safety nets)
$70 interest on debt
$40 education
$60 other stuff (infrastructure, transportation, federal police forces, court systems, etc)

While spending $1000, the government takes in $830 in 2017. And then it decides in 2018 it's going to reduce the amount it takes in to $750 because rich people need more money.





So you'll have to excuse me when I completely ignore any feigned concern for the deficit.






No. Entitlements are 66% and military is 16%. The # of people on welfare nearly doubled under BHO. It was not for rich people as poor people got breaks too and it was for corporations to halt inversions. Actually wait. I said on these boards I would only mock you as you re an A HOLE.

So...F*CK off you loser.
Um, no, that's not correct.

Maybe you're looking at a different year, but federal outlays in 2017 were $3.9 trillion. Total defense outlays were $819.2 billion. That's 20.97%. Or 21% if you round up.

That's actual spending. Not the base budget or a projected figure.

You kind of look like an idiot calling other people names and being wrong all the time.

F*CK OFF.

Jesus, maybe shoot alexjonesbukakisbenshapiro.com an email and let them know their numbers are out of date. The CBO rounds the outlays up to an even $4 trillion. Every other place lists actual outlays at $3.9 trillion.
Budget request for FY2018. On March 16, 2017 President Trump submitted his request to Congress for $639 billion in military spending—$54 billion—which represents a 10 percent increase—for FY 2018 as well as $30 billion for FY2017 which ends in September.

Where did your $800Bn+ Number come from?
So we're just going to ignore the fact that your chart was completely wrong? OK.

You're forgetting the cost of wars, referred to in the budget as OCO.

DOD base budget actual spending in 2017 was $523.2B. Then you have the almost $200B OCO, defense spending totals $818B.
For 2018, the enacted budget has a base of $574.5B plus OCO of another $200B, totalling $874.4B
Wars are not recurring. Well they are these days. So mine is wrong and yours is right? LMAO.

So you don't think we need to address entitlements? You want free healthcare for all? You think that the current welfare programs are run well. You think Medicaid is run well?

And the cost of wars, recurring or not, count toward the defense budget. So yeah, I'm right, you're wrong.




I think we need an expansion of entitlements. Public healthcare, maybe even a minimum guaranteed income.
Then you're out of touch with reality. We were discussing budget not wars. So going forward. Cannot predict one time expenses going forward. I am right and you're wrong. You're also stupid but I am wasting my time explaining why giving stuff for free doesn't work.

Why do you think we need public health? Defend that statement. Bet you can't.
They aren't one time expenses. They are an ongoing part of the budget. Trump included OCO in his 2018 and 2019 proposals.

Why do we need public healthcare? Because people, in ******* America, die from preventable diseases because they can't afford insurance (or the cost of the care they need). And it's not just like...one crazy person a year.

Relatively young, otherwise able-bodied people, who work jobs and live normal lives die from **** like type 1 diabetes because they don't have insurance and can't afford insulin. It's insane.
People would die without food too. Should we open up the supermarkets and let people take what they want? LMAO.

Your argument is retarded. Like all your arguments.
That's why we have food stamps and welfare.
Food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? So I can go to a store and by $1000 worth of food daily?
Who said that food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? What kind of argument is that?
9/21/2018 8:25 PM


Our food is spiritual. And his substance makes for our work provide through all trial and tribulation. PRAISE GOD!
9/21/2018 8:35 PM
Posted by DougOut on 9/21/2018 8:35:00 PM (view original):


Our food is spiritual. And his substance makes for our work provide through all trial and tribulation. PRAISE GOD!
That is how Mennonites in NE Georgia dress. Do you have dresses that pretty, Tang?
9/21/2018 8:47 PM


HI STRIKEY! This is how we dress in Pennsylvania where Doug lives.
9/21/2018 8:54 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 9/21/2018 7:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/21/2018 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Food stamps provide an infinite amount of food? So I can go to a store and by $1000 worth of food daily?


Oh cool, you moved the goal posts. Didn’t realize that people would die without $1000 a day in food.
So people would die if they didn't go to the MD daily? Are you saying Medicaid is given to those that only truly need it and use it on an as needed basis? How much is enough to survive? So you're saying food stamps are finite, correct? Why isn't Medicare finite?
Don't doctors examine before surgery to make sure that the patient needs surgery?
9/21/2018 8:57 PM
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Posted by DougOut on 9/21/2018 8:35:00 PM (view original):


Our food is spiritual. And his substance makes for our work provide through all trial and tribulation. PRAISE GOD!
That is how Mennonites in NE Georgia dress. Do you have dresses that pretty, Tang?
No. People at our church dress more conventionally. We aren't amish. You can wear what you want.
9/21/2018 9:07 PM (edited)


We pray first. Ain't so mama?
9/21/2018 9:02 PM
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Posted by DougOut on 9/21/2018 8:35:00 PM (view original):


Our food is spiritual. And his substance makes for our work provide through all trial and tribulation. PRAISE GOD!
That is how Mennonites in NE Georgia dress. Do you have dresses that pretty, Tang?
No. People at our church dress more conventionally. We aren't amish. You can wear what you want.
https://m.facebook.com/pages/Hartwell-Mennonite-Ctr/118110074916862.

I'm definitely not confusing Amish and Mennonite. There is a Mennonite campground about 5 minutes from me. We have a pretty heavy Mennonite influence in the area and they all dress very traditionally.
9/21/2018 9:09 PM
Yep, Doug. For all the **** everyone gives you, you are at least a Christian.
9/21/2018 9:09 PM
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