Yeah, I agree with CCCP here. Almost everyone determines who they are going to vote for in the early stages of a campaign. The ads have minimal affect on outcome. I believe that even "undecided's" aren't truly undecided.

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You don't know that many people.

From my poker nights, work events, family functions, well over 200 opinions.

Assuming you know 200 people that voted, you know .000001% of the voting pool in 2016.

Yes and? You don’t think 200+ persons is a significant sample? When they do polling what % of persons/voters do you think they poll? Can you name one person who was on the fence and was swayed by ads? I have yet to encounter one anywhere.

So you're saying that political ads don't sway voters?

They do if candidates are unknown but in the case of DJT and HRC, no I don't believe they did.

I don't think that's true.

Sure, for someone like you or me, someone who resides firmly in one part of the political spectrum and keeps up with politics, a thousand ads won't do anything. But the vast majority of the population isn't in that group.

A lot of people, a huge amount of people, don't follow politics particularly closely. They might have a vague idea that they are going to vote for someone but the right ad, with the right message, could be enough to convince them to stay home on election day.

I personally know people, mostly lifelong registered republicans or independents, who were planning to hold their nose and vote for Clinton in 2016. Then Comey held the press conference announcing that they were re-opening the investigation into the emails and a lot of those people ended up not voting. That's not an ad, but it's an example of a group of voters being swayed away from a candidate based on one message.

Benghazi?

Yeah, people pay hundreds of millions of dollars on political ads because they aren't effective at all.

They pay focus groups and polling companies millions of dollars to see where to place these ads because there's no effectiveness to them.



You should call these campaigns up and let them know how ineffective they are.

Is there a study that confirms this? I believe bad luck so perhaps in MA people are just more decisive?

3.3 billion spent on ads last year.


A good article on the effect of social media based ads:


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/19/facebook-political-ads-social-media-history-online-democracy

that should be in 2016, last presidential election.

Do you know any actual people who changed their minds due to commercials?

I know people that changed their minds because of Pizzagate, yes.

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I know people that changed their minds because of Pizzagate, yes.

Seriously? LOL

I concede. I think only those with the weakest of constitutions fall for political commercials.

I was pretty shocked. People are sheep. Look at Doug. He'll parrot anything Limbaugh says...anything.

Are political ads more or less effective than political polls?
Seems both are good for nothing other than wasting money.
Let's take all the money all Parties spend on both things and apply it to the national Debt.
Win - Win situation.

Can't disagree with that.

Posted by The Taint on 12/18/2018 10:13:00 PM (view original):
I was pretty shocked. People are sheep. Look at Doug. He'll parrot anything Limbaugh says...anything.

Especially during the Trump vs. HRC election. Both very known persons. Trump because of his celebrity status and HRC because of her lifelong political affiliations and being the former first lady.

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I know people that changed their minds because of Pizzagate, yes.

Seriously? LOL

I concede. I think only those with the weakest of constitutions fall for political commercials.

It’s not that they “fall for it” and change their minds. They get bombarded with a marketing message over and over again and, after a while, that message becomes reality in their mind.

It’s how people believe that Fast and Furious was some sort of scandal or that Clinton was responsible for Benghazi.