I know there was a rationale for why I went with 2 guys and roughly 800 innings at 44 mil vs Silver, but damn If I can remember it now. C'est la vie

I knew Silver wouldn't get his innings and I took him anyway. He's still lower cost and clearing roster spots adds to his value in this league. I had to draft more innings, so what? only concern is how much he underperform the other studs.

Surprised I'm the only one with Matt Williams at 3B at variable cap. Better than Lyons for sure, just needs more backup.

Posted by skunk206 on 6/8/2020 12:49:00 PM (view original):
If you only get 650 IP out of him in a season of 81 starts, that's still an average of 8 IP per start. Not bad.

I've gotten 680 from him before

Posted by skunk206 on 6/8/2020 12:48:00 PM (view original):
IP doesn't matter though. Pitchers fatigue based on pitches thrown. Silver King is allotted about 10250 pitches for a season. If he starts 81 games he can throw about 125 pitches every game at 100% every time. Do that and he uses his pitches for the year and you get your full money's worth. You can make little adjustments throughout the season if he happens to have some CG with less than 125 pitches thrown, but that's less likely at higher caps so managing his usage is easier. You could stretch him even further if you're comfortable with starts less than 100%.

If you want him throwing 125 pitches, this is true.

Regardless of how you use him though, even if you only get 650 innings out of him and have to spend on someone else to make up the difference he's still a better deal than the other top flight SPs until you get to 200M or so

Posted by rbow923 on 6/8/2020 1:14:00 PM (view original):
I knew Silver wouldn't get his innings and I took him anyway. He's still lower cost and clearing roster spots adds to his value in this league. I had to draft more innings, so what? only concern is how much he underperform the other studs.

Surprised I'm the only one with Matt Williams at 3B at variable cap. Better than Lyons for sure, just needs more backup.

I have Matty too, very happy to get him instead of Lyons

Posted by daddyzander on 6/8/2020 12:29:00 PM (view original):
I wrote a wonderful set of posts, my work computer crashed, its gone Ill sum up

80 mil - Meh, but I put two guys named Rasty Wright on my team
90 mil - Blech
110 mil - Maybe ok, still 12 games behind mildnhazy
120 mil - Joss, Ruth, Piersall, Kershaw, Kimbrel - Who knows, I sure don't
140 Mil - Giants, Red Sox, Twins - I wrote this wonderful essay, mostly about my daughter, and her insistence of me using certain teams I did not. You all are worse off now, granted, this team probably is too.
Variable - 177 Mil, Did not use Silver King, Do not even remember why anymore, seems like it was the thing to do

Overall, I was 12th during the regular season in round 1 last year, it went way downhill after that. I expect it to stay downhill this time.

I did the same for my $80M team

Posted by skunk206 on 6/8/2020 12:48:00 PM (view original):
IP doesn't matter though. Pitchers fatigue based on pitches thrown. Silver King is allotted about 10250 pitches for a season. If he starts 81 games he can throw about 125 pitches every game at 100% every time. Do that and he uses his pitches for the year and you get your full money's worth. You can make little adjustments throughout the season if he happens to have some CG with less than 125 pitches thrown, but that's less likely at higher caps so managing his usage is easier. You could stretch him even further if you're comfortable with starts less than 100%.

This is an experience level I just am nowhere near. Understanding innings as a season's allotment of pitches just isn't in my math yet. I can certainly see why it would be helpful, but I don't know how to apply the proper variables based on cap, theme, etc.

80M Arbitration Winners Filled out my offense first, looking for good OBP and XBH guys – targeting low 40M for total. Then took what was left to build a low OAV, high K, ERC+ for pitchers. Using a pitcher’s stadium to try to manage IP. In general I like this team but could use a “lose in 10th inning” option. No desire to play long games. Hitters 308-399-445 Pitchers 1301 IP – 1.02 WHIP

90M Century 21 Hurlers I used the same strategy here as for the 80M roster. Modern pitchers for K’s, less balls in play the better, plus the boost it gives the kickball defense. Hitters 309-403-439 Pitchers 1337 IP - 0.97 WHIP

110M The Boys of One I picked +/- 1 out of laziness. Again, built an offense I liked and then built the pitching staff. However, as we move up the salary cap I began to focus more on WHIP and low OAV. Built a staff around Walsh and Big Train and DeGrom to spot start and LR. Probably could have allocated IP better between Team I and Team II – but wanted one team that I didn’t have to micro manage innings. Hitters 320-414-477 Pitchers 1527 IP – 0.92 WHIP

120M Addie Boys Built about 5 teams, but settled on Gehrig (he does everything at the plate) Furcal (D at SS), Joss (Value – wanted Pedro, but didn’t like my offense when I used him as my SP), Kershaw and Koji. Built the offense then filled in the gaps on the mound with low OAV, high ERC+. In retrospect I don’t like this staff, and need Jose DeLeon to gut out 260 decent innings – my least favorite team. Hitters 301-401-504 Pitchers 1399 IP = 0.95 WHIP

140M Yanks-WhiteSox-Twins Hard to not use the Yanks when you can build a line up with Gehrig, Ruth and Mantle. For pitching went back to Walsh and Big Train and Santana. Probably my favorite team in the tournament. Hitters 338-447-562 Pitchers IP 1419 – 0.85 WHIP

180M Squint 172 High Cap so decided to build the most ridiculous pitching staff I could and then go find some hitters. Pedro’s best season and Big Train’s best season, and probably the best bullpen of all time. Hitters are solid lead by Teddy Ballgame at DH and an assorted group of high OBP, XBH tagalongs. Hitters 335-444-540 Pitchers 1403 IP – 0.75 WHIP

Posted by ozomatli on 6/6/2020 3:01:00 PM (view original):
just4me — "The most interesting thing I did here was at 1B, where I've tanked the position and am running a 9 man platoon of sub $300k guys. The 9 combine for 592 PA at .274/.371/.353 and cost $2.39m"

That's nuts! And amazing!

I Did something similar to this once in a low cap league a number of years ago in the WIS Championship (except at 3B). I didn't draft enough PA's. All the guys were fatigued and committed a ton of errors. The team still won about 82-85 games, if I am remembering correctly. I will be interesting to see how this turns out. I've always wanted to try it again, but always chicken out.

My view on Silver King is that in 1888 the average SS in baseball had a .872 fielding percentage.

Posted by schwarze on 6/8/2020 3:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 6/6/2020 3:01:00 PM (view original):
just4me — "The most interesting thing I did here was at 1B, where I've tanked the position and am running a 9 man platoon of sub $300k guys. The 9 combine for 592 PA at .274/.371/.353 and cost $2.39m"

That's nuts! And amazing!

I Did something similar to this once in a low cap league a number of years ago in the WIS Championship (except at 3B). I didn't draft enough PA's. All the guys were fatigued and committed a ton of errors. The team still won about 82-85 games, if I am remembering correctly. I will be interesting to see how this turns out. I've always wanted to try it again, but always chicken out.

One trap I've fallen into in these cases involves pitch hitting. If these guys are sitting around on the bench, Sparky might use them. So even if you've got 700 PA between the players, if you use 200 on PH duty, you only have 500 left for the position, and now you're back in fatigue hell. So you've gotta be really clear with your PH hierarchies to avoid this.

Posted by brianjw on 6/8/2020 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by schwarze on 6/8/2020 3:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 6/6/2020 3:01:00 PM (view original):
just4me — "The most interesting thing I did here was at 1B, where I've tanked the position and am running a 9 man platoon of sub $300k guys. The 9 combine for 592 PA at .274/.371/.353 and cost $2.39m"

That's nuts! And amazing!

I Did something similar to this once in a low cap league a number of years ago in the WIS Championship (except at 3B). I didn't draft enough PA's. All the guys were fatigued and committed a ton of errors. The team still won about 82-85 games, if I am remembering correctly. I will be interesting to see how this turns out. I've always wanted to try it again, but always chicken out.

One trap I've fallen into in these cases involves pitch hitting. If these guys are sitting around on the bench, Sparky might use them. So even if you've got 700 PA between the players, if you use 200 on PH duty, you only have 500 left for the position, and now you're back in fatigue hell. So you've gotta be really clear with your PH hierarchies to avoid this.

Yeah, I was slightly worried about that, and hopefully I have the hierarchies set to minimize or avoid that issue. I only have these guys on the hierarchy, PH set to average, double-switch to very aggressive, and only my RPs and other 1B available to be PH for (platoon advantage). So, ideally, one of these guys comes in to PH, and they replace the other 1B rather than getting two of them PA. They may still gain a few extra PA, but hopefully with them batting 9th, it shouldn't be too bad with the 10% buffer in there. This group should be good for 640 PA without fatigue, I'm cool with a couple of the better ones dropping to 90%, that should get me close to 670 PA. In the 9 slot, even with a few wasted PH, I'm hoping I can keep them around there.

You can get around that by drafting PH. I always do because their PA count more than regular PA , they bat in crucial situations. Total PA is my target, anybody can play 1B.

Posted by brianjw on 6/8/2020 3:18:00 PM (view original):
My view on Silver King is that in 1888 the average SS in baseball had a .872 fielding percentage.

I don't think everyone realizes the huge swing this can make. From the WISC Normalization Calculator:

1887 D+/A+ SS with 1888 Pitcher and 1888 Hitter: 114 errors
1887 D+/A+ SS with 2008 Pitcher and 1888 Hitter: 87 errors
1887 D+/A+ SS with 2008 Pitcher and 2008 Hitter: 40 errors

This also effects range similarly. Though the calculator does not have a range variant. But anecdotally, I have a season that recently finished with 1919 Roger Peckinpaugh at SS. He finished with 56 errors and 31 + plays. My rotation consisted of two deadballers (Joss and Bernhard) and two modern pitchers (Maddux and Halladay). In a league I'm in that's 113 games in another owner has the same Peckinpaugh in the same ballpark I had him in, but his rotation primarily consists of 1886 Ed Morris and a bunch of guys from the 1960s. Peckinpaugh already has 53 errors and only has 14+ plays, putting him on pace for 76 errors and only 20 + plays.

Posted by brianjw on 6/8/2020 3:18:00 PM (view original):
My view on Silver King is that in 1888 the average SS in baseball had a .872 fielding percentage.

Enter Tulo, lol. At least to stem the damage