Posted by wylie715 on 9/17/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 9/17/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):
Hey Boris!! :-)

"stupidity and irresponsible citizenship, and hate, and racism, and ALL the other ignorant hateful socially reprehensible behavior"

I don't think ANY of the above applies to you Boris. Why would YOU think HRC was referring to you as a deplorable?
Or more importantly, why would YOU think I believe you to be deplorable?

I don't.
You're NOT irresponsible. You don't have hate in your heart. You vote, you earn, you raise and love your family. Don't you?
What's deplorable about You?

• I do not believe white privilege exists
• I do not believe all white people are inherently racist
• I believe that the group Black Lives Matter has zero to do with actual black lives mattering.
• I believe that having a two parent household supersedes the color of ones skin in terms of how successful they will be when they grow up.
• I am a Jew
• I believe there are only two genders and you should not be able to identify as woman if you are born with man parts. And you certainly should not be allowed to play physical sports vs. biological females. My daughters in particular.
• I believe that black lives matter and black rights matter. I believe we need police reform. I believe that 99% of police officers are great and brave people. I believe we need to invest more into policing vs. defunding.
• I do not believe the protests were mostly peaceful. Hell OJ was mostly peaceful the day he killed his wife and her boyfriend. I believe rioters, looters and pyromaniacs should be arrested.
• I believe the Green New Deal is stupid
• I believe the term "living wage" is stupid
• I believe our media is biased and tries to tell us what to think vs. allowing us to form our own opinions on the news that is presented.
• I believe NFL stadiums should have fans at 25% capacity
• I believe China created this virus in a lab and lied about it and then bribed the WHO to lie for them.
• I believe the regime in Iran is evil and cannot be negotiated with and certainly not bribed.
• I believe we need to return to rational dialogue and not throw jabs at one another, which is difficult but not impossible.
• I believe we have the right to bear arms. I support the 2nd amendment.
• I believe we should retain the Electoral College.

All of the above makes me a "deplorable" by the operational definition of Leftists.

so, we know what you believe. Do you have any evidence to support these beliefs?

I need evidence for beliefs? LOL

Pretty sure that is not true.

Belief: Trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. No offense Wylie, but I am not going to engage in a battle of wits with a failed limo driver.

Posted by Uofa2 on 9/17/2020 1:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 9/17/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):
Hey Boris!! :-)

"stupidity and irresponsible citizenship, and hate, and racism, and ALL the other ignorant hateful socially reprehensible behavior"

I don't think ANY of the above applies to you Boris. Why would YOU think HRC was referring to you as a deplorable?
Or more importantly, why would YOU think I believe you to be deplorable?

I don't.
You're NOT irresponsible. You don't have hate in your heart. You vote, you earn, you raise and love your family. Don't you?
What's deplorable about You?

• I do not believe white privilege exists
• I do not believe all white people are inherently racist
• I believe that the group Black Lives Matter has zero to do with actual black lives mattering.
• I believe that having a two parent household supersedes the color of ones skin in terms of how successful they will be when they grow up.
• I am a Jew
• I believe there are only two genders and you should not be able to identify as woman if you are born with man parts. And you certainly should not be allowed to play physical sports vs. biological females. My daughters in particular.
• I believe that black lives matter and black rights matter. I believe we need police reform. I believe that 99% of police officers are great and brave people. I believe we need to invest more into policing vs. defunding.
• I do not believe the protests were mostly peaceful. Hell OJ was mostly peaceful the day he killed his wife and her boyfriend. I believe rioters, looters and pyromaniacs should be arrested.
• I believe the Green New Deal is stupid
• I believe the term "living wage" is stupid
• I believe our media is biased and tries to tell us what to think vs. allowing us to form our own opinions on the news that is presented.
• I believe NFL stadiums should have fans at 25% capacity
• I believe China created this virus in a lab and lied about it and then bribed the WHO to lie for them.
• I believe the regime in Iran is evil and cannot be negotiated with and certainly not bribed.
• I believe we need to return to rational dialogue and not throw jabs at one another, which is difficult but not impossible.
• I believe we have the right to bear arms. I support the 2nd amendment.
• I believe we should retain the Electoral College.

All of the above makes me a "deplorable" by the operational definition of Leftists.

Such a victim mindset.

LMAO...nope. Just what I believe. Hardly a victim. You just dislike that I have a disparate opinion from you. Find a safe space and chill.

Posted by Uofa2 on 9/17/2020 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/17/2020 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 9/14/2020 8:49:00 AM (view original):
These two ASSCLOWNS are the exact kind of reprobates that the LIAR has given license to. The IGNORANT. The FEAR MONGERED. The STUPID, BACKWOODS, REDNECK and RACIST. The DREGS of society who now think they actually matter.

This attitude is a huge part of the reason why middle America will continue voting Republican for the foreseeable future.

Hillary made lots of mistakes, but given how close the election was I think it's perfectly realistic to say that without the basket of deplorables comment she could well be POTUS right now.

Well I'd argue the deplorable comment was prescient and not as big a factor as the 25 year hit job on her by conservative media, and even that wasn't as big a factor as Comey doing what he did a week before the election.

Either way, agreed rsp goes too far sometimes.

But I'm also not exactly sure what constitutes middle America, is it Minnesota where Biden is up 9? Wisconsin, Michigan where Biden is up 7? Middle America is too nebulous a term to apply such strict "will vote Republican for foreseeable future" terms.

RSP don go far enough sometimes

people need to wind up dead sometimes

Posted by tangplay on 9/17/2020 12:10:00 PM (view original):
I would call you deplorable for saying that a person should be forced to retain their biological sex as their gender and can not take on a new gender identity. I would also call you deplorable for your opinions on where the virus came from. Otherwise, you're extremely misinformed, not deplorable.

that godamm kardashian captain was not forced to drop his gonads but he did it any way

by choice

that is flat out top notch gold medal winning deplorability

it makes me sick

I think the debater is a really good and really smart guy. He has said that his father is a minister. Debater is a very moral guy but in these times I’m of a like mind with rsvp.

in normal times debater would be right .
this is not normal.
we are threatened by numerous existential threats caused by incompetent mentally unstable science haters who love authoritarianism with racism.
we are in trouble if Biden does not win.

rsvp has the right passion and he is correct because it is not just now.
it really is now or never.

12 - 150 in a prog league is deplorable.

CCCP being surprised that other people actually have evidence to back up their beliefs is a pretty solid summary of how he comes to political conclusions.

Again, feelings over facts.

WOW. Lotsa ideas flying around that's good. I kinda feel like a mosquito in a nudist colony...........I ain't sure where to start.

1st. Somebody translate Bags for me. Who's the ******* kardashian captain, for one? That whole dadgum family makes me kinda gag!

2nd. I think it's best when your personal beliefs have SOME basis in truth, knowledge, and reality.
2B. Personally I think Blind Faith has no place in human reasoning. BUT, they were a short lived GREAT band that managed to make one great timeless LP.

3rd. I'll respond to Boris separately.

I can back up my strong positions on a statistical and informational level. CCCP can't.

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 9/17/2020 1:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 9/17/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):
Hey Boris!! :-)

"stupidity and irresponsible citizenship, and hate, and racism, and ALL the other ignorant hateful socially reprehensible behavior"

I don't think ANY of the above applies to you Boris. Why would YOU think HRC was referring to you as a deplorable?
Or more importantly, why would YOU think I believe you to be deplorable?

I don't.
You're NOT irresponsible. You don't have hate in your heart. You vote, you earn, you raise and love your family. Don't you?
What's deplorable about You?

• I do not believe white privilege exists
• I do not believe all white people are inherently racist
• I believe that the group Black Lives Matter has zero to do with actual black lives mattering.
• I believe that having a two parent household supersedes the color of ones skin in terms of how successful they will be when they grow up.
• I am a Jew
• I believe there are only two genders and you should not be able to identify as woman if you are born with man parts. And you certainly should not be allowed to play physical sports vs. biological females. My daughters in particular.
• I believe that black lives matter and black rights matter. I believe we need police reform. I believe that 99% of police officers are great and brave people. I believe we need to invest more into policing vs. defunding.
• I do not believe the protests were mostly peaceful. Hell OJ was mostly peaceful the day he killed his wife and her boyfriend. I believe rioters, looters and pyromaniacs should be arrested.
• I believe the Green New Deal is stupid
• I believe the term "living wage" is stupid
• I believe our media is biased and tries to tell us what to think vs. allowing us to form our own opinions on the news that is presented.
• I believe NFL stadiums should have fans at 25% capacity
• I believe China created this virus in a lab and lied about it and then bribed the WHO to lie for them.
• I believe the regime in Iran is evil and cannot be negotiated with and certainly not bribed.
• I believe we need to return to rational dialogue and not throw jabs at one another, which is difficult but not impossible.
• I believe we have the right to bear arms. I support the 2nd amendment.
• I believe we should retain the Electoral College.

All of the above makes me a "deplorable" by the operational definition of Leftists.

Such a victim mindset.

LMAO...nope. Just what I believe. Hardly a victim. You just dislike that I have a disparate opinion from you. Find a safe space and chill.

You believe people think you're deplorable because you defend the electoral college.

But yeah, I'm the one in need of a safe space.

Posted by Uofa2 on 9/17/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 9/17/2020 1:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 9/17/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):
Hey Boris!! :-)

"stupidity and irresponsible citizenship, and hate, and racism, and ALL the other ignorant hateful socially reprehensible behavior"

I don't think ANY of the above applies to you Boris. Why would YOU think HRC was referring to you as a deplorable?
Or more importantly, why would YOU think I believe you to be deplorable?

I don't.
You're NOT irresponsible. You don't have hate in your heart. You vote, you earn, you raise and love your family. Don't you?
What's deplorable about You?

• I do not believe white privilege exists
• I do not believe all white people are inherently racist
• I believe that the group Black Lives Matter has zero to do with actual black lives mattering.
• I believe that having a two parent household supersedes the color of ones skin in terms of how successful they will be when they grow up.
• I am a Jew
• I believe there are only two genders and you should not be able to identify as woman if you are born with man parts. And you certainly should not be allowed to play physical sports vs. biological females. My daughters in particular.
• I believe that black lives matter and black rights matter. I believe we need police reform. I believe that 99% of police officers are great and brave people. I believe we need to invest more into policing vs. defunding.
• I do not believe the protests were mostly peaceful. Hell OJ was mostly peaceful the day he killed his wife and her boyfriend. I believe rioters, looters and pyromaniacs should be arrested.
• I believe the Green New Deal is stupid
• I believe the term "living wage" is stupid
• I believe our media is biased and tries to tell us what to think vs. allowing us to form our own opinions on the news that is presented.
• I believe NFL stadiums should have fans at 25% capacity
• I believe China created this virus in a lab and lied about it and then bribed the WHO to lie for them.
• I believe the regime in Iran is evil and cannot be negotiated with and certainly not bribed.
• I believe we need to return to rational dialogue and not throw jabs at one another, which is difficult but not impossible.
• I believe we have the right to bear arms. I support the 2nd amendment.
• I believe we should retain the Electoral College.

All of the above makes me a "deplorable" by the operational definition of Leftists.

Such a victim mindset.

LMAO...nope. Just what I believe. Hardly a victim. You just dislike that I have a disparate opinion from you. Find a safe space and chill.

You believe people think you're deplorable because you defend the electoral college.

But yeah, I'm the one in need of a safe space.

Many on the left do. Hey, such is life. Doesn't make me lose a wink of sleep at night.

Posted by tangplay on 9/17/2020 3:13:00 PM (view original):
I can back up my strong positions on a statistical and informational level. CCCP can't.

tangplay: USA and the Soviet Union were not allies in WW2.

Tangplay = lost all credibility.

Boris. TY very much for respecting me as an American citizen of value.
I feel you are as well, though I think you live in a nearly unlivable region.

Fat too many people and I don't intend to quote a Brit but so be it.
I COULD go thru your bullet-list of things that you think makes you deplorable one by one, like Tangy did, but I won't because so much of it we agree on. Hell, even Tangy agreed with a good share of those ideas/beliefs/statements.

And, rather than going thru and pointing out each place I disagree I'm gonna just make a couple of basic statements.

I believe Institutional Racism is real, and the average white person is more well-off than the average black person because of socioeconomic status. If you disagree with this position, you either believe that all studies are made up or you believe that black people are fundamentally genetically different or you just won't accept or are unaware of the vast empirical research on the matter. My query to you would be........... do you make financial advise to your clients based on the vast empirical data available based on research.......... or not?

I pointed out elsewhere what I think about belief and faith............without basis.
In essence I believe that believing in an ideology or a dogma or an individual leader or "savior" without some sort of Spiritual TRUTH as its core is like coupling with the devil and expecting to produce angels.

A belief in an individual is always faulty. A cult. Ask the remaining Branch Davidians!

Finally, for this post, let me just say that ALL Americans of good faith need to find a way to realize that most ANY citizen of either political persuasion (sure, there ARE exceptions) wants what's best for the Country.
And lastly, as a classic liberal who is NOT a member of either Party I will tell you that folks on the "right" have NO F-ing Idea what the "left" believes to be deplorable!

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 9/17/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 9/17/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):
Hey Boris!! :-)

"stupidity and irresponsible citizenship, and hate, and racism, and ALL the other ignorant hateful socially reprehensible behavior"

I don't think ANY of the above applies to you Boris. Why would YOU think HRC was referring to you as a deplorable?
Or more importantly, why would YOU think I believe you to be deplorable?

I don't.
You're NOT irresponsible. You don't have hate in your heart. You vote, you earn, you raise and love your family. Don't you?
What's deplorable about You?

• I do not believe white privilege exists
• I do not believe all white people are inherently racist
• I believe that the group Black Lives Matter has zero to do with actual black lives mattering.
• I believe that having a two parent household supersedes the color of ones skin in terms of how successful they will be when they grow up.
• I am a Jew
• I believe there are only two genders and you should not be able to identify as woman if you are born with man parts. And you certainly should not be allowed to play physical sports vs. biological females. My daughters in particular.
• I believe that black lives matter and black rights matter. I believe we need police reform. I believe that 99% of police officers are great and brave people. I believe we need to invest more into policing vs. defunding.
• I do not believe the protests were mostly peaceful. Hell OJ was mostly peaceful the day he killed his wife and her boyfriend. I believe rioters, looters and pyromaniacs should be arrested.
• I believe the Green New Deal is stupid
• I believe the term "living wage" is stupid
• I believe our media is biased and tries to tell us what to think vs. allowing us to form our own opinions on the news that is presented.
• I believe NFL stadiums should have fans at 25% capacity
• I believe China created this virus in a lab and lied about it and then bribed the WHO to lie for them.
• I believe the regime in Iran is evil and cannot be negotiated with and certainly not bribed.
• I believe we need to return to rational dialogue and not throw jabs at one another, which is difficult but not impossible.
• I believe we have the right to bear arms. I support the 2nd amendment.
• I believe we should retain the Electoral College.

All of the above makes me a "deplorable" by the operational definition of Leftists.

so, we know what you believe. Do you have any evidence to support these beliefs?

I need evidence for beliefs? LOL

Pretty sure that is not true.

Belief: Trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. No offense Wylie, but I am not going to engage in a battle of wits with a failed limo driver.

You don't need evidence for beliefs, but I would hope you base your beliefs on something other than what your 2 friends say.
As for being a failed limo driver, I did that for 10 years and left to do something else. If that is failure in your eyes, it explains a lot.
Also the fact that you have faith in Trump after he is continuously shown to lie, fabricate and obliterate the truth doesn't say much for your judgement, dude.

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2020 3:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/17/2020 3:13:00 PM (view original):
I can back up my strong positions on a statistical and informational level. CCCP can't.

tangplay: USA and the Soviet Union were not allies in WW2.

Tangplay = lost all credibility.

The fact that this (not even that spicy) take from three years ago is your best argument against my credibility is actually an argument in my favor, IMO. I don't even think we fundamentally disagreed on this point, just that we had different internal definitions of what "alliance" means.