Posted by DougOut on 12/4/2021 4:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2021 2:45:00 PM (view original):
"A U.S. bureaucrat in his U.S. bureaucratic office spent U.S. tax payer money on gain of function research with the Chinese Communist government and lied about it."

B.S!

That comment (GFR research) is (at this point) ONLY a right wing propaganda talking point.
So far, that is NOT proven, thus YOU are once again spreading right wing B.S. MISINFORMATION!!

Can't you find an unbiased source for your information OR do you just enjoy being on the wrong side of truth so often?

NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

By
Emily Crane
October 21, 2021

It’s another Fauci flub.

The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

In a letter to Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) on Wednesday, a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance — the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled US funds to the Wuhan lab — for not being transparent about the work it was doing.

NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”

Gain-of-function research refers to viruses being taken from animals before they are genetically altered in a lab to make them more transmissible to humans.

The admission from the NIH official directly contradicts Fauci’s testimony to Congress in May and July, when he denied the US had funded gain-of-function projects in Wuhan.

As recently as last month, Fauci was accused of lying about gain-of-function research after documents, obtained by the Intercept, detailed grants given to EcoHealth Alliance for bat coronavirus studies.

That grant proposal detailed in the trove of documents was for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of bat samples, as well as people who worked with live animals, for novel coronaviruses.

The $3.1 million grant was awarded for a five-year period between 2014 and 2019. After the funding was renewed in 2019, it was suspended by the Trump administration in April 2020.

The grant directed $599,000 to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for bat coronavirus research.

The proposal acknowledged the risks of such research, saying: “Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled.”

Dude, killing millions world wide cannot be compared to a singular violent act.

Posted by bruceleefan on 12/4/2021 4:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 12/4/2021 4:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2021 2:45:00 PM (view original):
"A U.S. bureaucrat in his U.S. bureaucratic office spent U.S. tax payer money on gain of function research with the Chinese Communist government and lied about it."

B.S!

That comment (GFR research) is (at this point) ONLY a right wing propaganda talking point.
So far, that is NOT proven, thus YOU are once again spreading right wing B.S. MISINFORMATION!!

Can't you find an unbiased source for your information OR do you just enjoy being on the wrong side of truth so often?

NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

By
Emily Crane
October 21, 2021

It’s another Fauci flub.

The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

In a letter to Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) on Wednesday, a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance — the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled US funds to the Wuhan lab — for not being transparent about the work it was doing.

NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”

Gain-of-function research refers to viruses being taken from animals before they are genetically altered in a lab to make them more transmissible to humans.

The admission from the NIH official directly contradicts Fauci’s testimony to Congress in May and July, when he denied the US had funded gain-of-function projects in Wuhan.

As recently as last month, Fauci was accused of lying about gain-of-function research after documents, obtained by the Intercept, detailed grants given to EcoHealth Alliance for bat coronavirus studies.

That grant proposal detailed in the trove of documents was for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of bat samples, as well as people who worked with live animals, for novel coronaviruses.

The $3.1 million grant was awarded for a five-year period between 2014 and 2019. After the funding was renewed in 2019, it was suspended by the Trump administration in April 2020.

The grant directed $599,000 to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for bat coronavirus research.

The proposal acknowledged the risks of such research, saying: “Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled.”

Dude, killing millions world wide cannot be compared to a singular violent act.

Do you are saying that a person or persons planned the pandemic? and Doug and you were both comparing magnitude of deaths in a thread that was solely about a gun crime.

Talk about distraction and sleight of hand.

And the larger part of the scientific community and The NIH do NOT consider the work to be gain of function research because it did not meet the criteria to be so defined.
The NIH never said or admitted to it being gain of function research.

There it is. Resorting to stupid vapid right wing memes again.
You are completely disingenuous Dougnut.

You have nothing valid to say when you get called out.
Willfully misinforming folks.
Just like the fuhrer Trump!

Do you are saying that a person or persons planned the pandemic?

That is the conspiracy, yes.

Unfortunately, there is ZERO evidence that this is the case, so conspiracists like Doug need to vaguely gesture at what they imagine happened rather than actually make allegations.

It is plausible that COVID didn't originate in animals, but rather escaped from a lab where research was being conducted on coronaviruses. It is NOT plausible that COVID was invented in this lab and released intentionally by the Chinese government.

And the fact that the US funds international research on preventing pandemics isn't surprising or damning in the slightest - in fact, this prior research was instrumental in developing the vaccine so quickly.

Posted by Jetson21 on 12/4/2021 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2021 2:45:00 PM (view original):
"A U.S. bureaucrat in his U.S. bureaucratic office spent U.S. tax payer money on gain of function research with the Chinese Communist government and lied about it."

B.S!

That comment (GFR research) is (at this point) ONLY a right wing propaganda talking point.
So far, that is NOT proven, thus YOU are once again spreading right wing B.S. MISINFORMATION!!

Can't you find an unbiased source for your information OR do you just enjoy being on the wrong side of truth so often?

You miss the point completely.
Whats the difference if it was true.
You dont equate wasting taxpayer money with mass murder.

Why not?

Let's ignore the conspiracy theory context for a second. Why is overtly wasting taxpayer money NOT comparable with murder? Government spending is supposed to protect and improve the lives of Americans. Numerous government agencies have calculated statistical values of human lives that they use when deciding whether or not to fund various programs. This is a tacit acknowledgement of the fact that responsible spending should, in many cases, be protecting human lives. It therefore stands to reason that irresponsible spending is likely costing lives from the defunding of an alternative program.

I think there's a strong argument that intentional misutilization of Federal funds would be quite equivalent to mass murder.

I think that is more if a philosophical discussion.
A post hoc ipso proctor hoc argument.
Show me direct causality between poor allocation or misuse and subsequent highly foreseeable deaths then I will agree.
For example, a state capriciously pulls funding of hospital in desperate need of the funds to care for seriously ill patients for tax cuts to the rich or the federal government refused
to fund or provide needed and immediate ventilators or purchase of them at the early height of the pandemic.
When there is a reasonable direct straight line of A to B then yes I would agree.
In this post of The Doug he was talking about 580,000 dollars so even if wasteful hardly going to lead yo mass deaths let alone mass murder which is different.

I guess an argument could be made that if Bush and some other high ups lied about the WMD and we lost all those military personnel that could be some kind of murder.
If you stretch it you could say that Trumps tax breaks reduced revenue so much that needed monies that might have gone food and medical programs could be murder but I say no unless you can show that a specific vital program was cut because of the tax cuts that led to highly foreseeable deaths and the funding could not be replaced by cutting somewhere less important.

So i say no - only pure causal effects.

I don't know if I buy that one, dahs.

1. Mass murder has an intentionality to killing and moral denunciation that no one would give to misuse of government funds
2. I'm not sure why you'd make the distinction between intentional misuse and bad spending in with good intentions but bad results - your argument would be the same either way
3. Using a roundabout "well, maybe if the spending hadn't gone to this it could have saved lives elsewhere" isn't equivalent to someone directly killing someone else

so when we spend taxpayer money on defense in peacetime

we are wasting taxpayer money

Joe Biden!

mass murderer since August 2021!

I'm with Bags on this one. I'm HUGELY against wasting taxpayer $$$$, BUT it's REAL HARD for me to conclude as Dahs has done when you consider all the taxpayer $$$$ spent on Military Madness and unneeded weapons, over-expensive hammers, etc..

I just have a hard time reckoning less than a million dollars spent on anti-pandemic research vs. the BILLIONS spent on unnecessary Military spending!! and considering the waste of 588,000 akin to murder because the money COULD have been spent elsewhere more effectively!

Posted by bagchucker on 12/5/2021 2:45:00 AM (view original):
so when we spend taxpayer money on defense in peacetime

we are wasting taxpayer money

Joe Biden!

mass murderer since August 2021!

Don't be so hard on Biden.

Sure, he was soundly defeated by a handful of Taliban. Sure he lost men and equipment and failed to keep the airport and yes unknown numbers are held hostage and thousands are in danger of massacre. Sure Trump did a better job all over on every issue...but don't be so hard on Biden.

He's the guy now. China is moving into Afghanistan. They're making noise in Taiwan. Russia is massing on the Ukrainian border. So you better have Joes back. He may not be half the leader Trump was, but he's all we got. Try to be more like me and have his back.

That'd be more funny IF it wasn't so F' N obvious that YOU aren't backing him YOU are BLAMING him for ANYTHING you can come up with to denigrate the P.O.T.U.S. JUST out of pure hate, bias for a stinking PARTY that's been taken over by a lying conman trying to usurp our Republic.

Which renders you akin to a Traitor to Our Country!!!
Can you even Get that??

Likely Not. You've shown plenty of evidence of the level of your deductive intellect.