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tianyi7886
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I treat ath to be equal to speed, so my formulas weigh them the same, which is why I said ath/spd advantage.

One more to the list. This is the 6th seed I'm facing in Tark D3, with ath/speed both higher than Hamline, Def = Hamline. Top D3 teams are as good as the top D2 teams. 

Division III - Pasadena, CA (Homecourt: C) 
Home: 12-0 Away: 18-1
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622
 
Player Ratings
Name Yr. Pos. A SPD REB DE BLK LP PE BH P WE ST DU FT TOT
Walter Barnes Sr. SG 71 57 27 62 30 54 64 60 42 70 88 64 C+ 689
George Kestner Sr. C 85 52 80 72 66 44 33 17 23 84 88 77 B 721
George Handy Sr. SG 50 80 28 46 21 44 72 51 76 36 66 77 C 647
Lawrence Williams Jr. SF 77 36 35 86 18 40 78 55 44 57 75 68 C- 669
Bill Gleason Jr. PF 48 49 76 51 57 85 49 20 26 72 75 75 C 683
Peter Young Jr. PG 49 78 1 50 4 1 68 85 75 56 79 81 B 627
Raymond Brown Jr. PG 59 68 2 69 3 16 63 83 74 51 78 57 B- 623
William Cadwell Jr. C 89 41 41 89 50 70 24 35 26 68 78 55 B 666
August Anderson So. SG 70 61 12 62 23 29 24 49 47 45 70 65 C+ 557
Kenneth Byers So. C 58 35 66 72 46 45 22 28 15 77 75 44 C- 583
Samuel Proctor Fr. SG 49 43 12 54 1 38 29 53 32 53 76 43 B 483
Joel Ange Fr. PF 47 35 54 25 42 70 8 27 36 54 64 53 C- 515
Averages - - 63 53 36 62 30 45 44 47 43 60 76 63 C+ 622


I'm the 2 seed. Here's the 1 seed in my bracket:

Player Ratings

Name Yr. Pos. A SPD REB DE BLK LP PE BH P WE ST DU FT TOT
Leo Kissner Sr. SF 86 64 32 100 20 46 35 46 23 67 80 60 C 659
Stephen Eggenberger Sr. C 67 36 75 58 87 68 1 22 12 88 72 38 C 624
Christopher Hillyer Jr. SF 81 49 52 72 36 63 58 63 55 71 85 77 C+ 762
Joseph Sears Jr. PG 78 68 8 77 10 30 22 45 41 36 78 50 A- 543
Brendan Waldenberg Jr. PG 70 76 1 55 4 17 62 51 59 39 84 43 C+ 561
Tyler Trask Jr. PG 72 86 1 73 4 2 49 85 51 51 79 61 B- 614
Gerald Jackson So. C 67 34 57 81 64 52 7 17 6 37 80 37 C 539
Richard Terry So. SF 46 70 31 46 25 48 35 50 46 56 81 49 C 583
Kevin Normand So. C 57 14 77 61 56 77 1 1 1 25 68 46 C- 484
Charles Rico So. PG 61 77 1 66 3 12 43 71 70 59 78 61 C+ 602
Wayne Flood Fr. PG 50 68 12 57 1 1 70 56 41 20 67 46 C+ 489
Percy Donlon Fr. C 51 10 73 67 55 50 15 26 35 35 73 26 D- 516
Averages - - 66 54 35 68 30 39 33 44 37 49 77 50 C 581
1/12/2012 2:24 PM (edited)
ike1024
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Posted by killbatman on 1/11/2012 4:15:00 PM (view original):
I wish we could've seen a Hamline/RP final last season.  Based on how the game went a few nights back, I think it would've at least been a competitive game.  RP might have even matched up a little better last season with that young frontcourt you had. 

I'd take Hamline over all the teams posted fwiw..and they're all amazing.  But none of them come close to matching the insane LP/Per ratings, and the Ath/Def would keep Hamline in any game.  Only way they would lose is with a bad shooting roll of the dice on both ends.
I agree kb.  Your team scared me the most of anyone in the country.  Your guards were crazy good.
1/12/2012 2:05 PM
ike1024
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That's a SIX?  Holy crap. 

1/12/2012 2:08 PM
tianyi7886
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D3 Tark is extremely stacked, with 5 teams rated over 600, and another team at 599. 7 teams with combined ath speed over 110. 
1/12/2012 2:28 PM
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ok now those last 2 would definitely make me reconsider a little bit, Tark must be a brutal place to play. 

fwiw I value Ath slightly more than Spd in general, but I think that's debatable.  I guess I think Ath has a bigger impact on more things than Spd does.  But I agree with what ike said, with teams so good it really depends a lot on individual matchups..and I'm too lazy to look that closely at it.
1/12/2012 2:42 PM
dirtyjerk
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Hamline to repeat
1/29/2012 7:51 PM
ike1024
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RPI, without question.  kb has that team ready to win.
1/29/2012 8:43 PM
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My money is on Hamline as well. Go MIAC! Though I do believe RPI and Hamline are destined to face each other in the Championship game.
1/29/2012 10:59 PM
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Agree there's a pretty good chance we see a Hamline/RPI final.  Obviously anything can happen in the NT, but those have looked like the 2 best teams all season long.  Almost feels like the Bama/LSU rematch situation.  Hopefully it turns out the same way :)
1/30/2012 12:31 PM
xulapaul
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Don't count out St. Norbert or Trinity.
1/30/2012 12:40 PM
ike1024
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No, crazily enough, I played RPI, Norbs, and Trinity in non-con.

I'd be shocked if I could get past any of them again. 

And no way, kb, my first win over you was a fluke.  If there was a way to bet real money on HD, I'd put a significant amount on you to win.  What you did in the Upstate this year was incredible.
1/31/2012 12:00 PM
killbatman
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Nothing flukey about 60+ team Ath and Def and several ~90 defenders making my guys shoot 38% from the floor. 
1/31/2012 4:11 PM
ike1024
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Well, with a couple of exceptions, this is what everyone expected, right?
2/1/2012 9:57 AM
pepwaves
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Yep. Things are still going as predicted...and the RPI/Hamline final is fast approaching.
2/1/2012 2:10 PM
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Ha, right.  First I have to go through one of the greatest coaches in the modern history of HD.  Let's just say I'm skeptical.
2/1/2012 2:34 PM
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