Posted by tisi29 on 7/26/2010 10:12:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 9:20:00 AM (view original):
i think I may have out-stupidded someone on my FA target. Im taking the approcah that if it improves my starting lineup or pitching staff, that I'll pay whatever it takes.

Careful now.... that is eerily similar to my thoughts when I got elcano for $70 mil

which, again, for someone with your finances was only paying a 10-20% premium.  At my budget level, it would have been 75% too much.

Did anyone ever think Milwaukee would re-sign Sabathia?  He got overpaid by the Yankees, but to them it was only a 10% premium.

Silliness. The Yankees pay 25 million where other teams would pay 20, that much is true.

Elcano is making twice as much as any other reliever in $ - that's more than a 10-20% premium, I don't care what your budget level is. And the contract was 80 million.

At that point in FA, the $10M bonus meant nothing to moy.  So it was really a $70 M contract.  His payroll is expected to be about $50M more than the average payroll in the world.  That makes the contract about $45-50 M to anyone else.  Elcano should probably be worth around $7-8M/year (probably 10 owners would pay that) and he is paying him the rough equivalent of $9-10M/year - about 20% premium.  More in the first 2 years (when he says he knows somwething about his budget), and less in the last 3 years of the deal.
A bad contract.  But not as ridiculous as it seems at first glance.

Posted by blackmink18 on 7/26/2010 9:46:00 AM (view original):
And don't be dogging House Party 2, Kid n Play worked their butts off to throw that pajama party

I, for example am overpaying for Pascual. But its in the last season, so I wasnt motivated to try and deal him too hard. I would have liked to move his salary prior to free agency ending, but failing that I'll hold him, or deal him to a contendor at the end of the season.

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 10:24:00 AM (view original):

I, for example am overpaying for Pascual. But its in the last season, so I wasnt motivated to try and deal him too hard. I would have liked to move his salary prior to free agency ending, but failing that I'll hold him, or deal him to a contendor at the end of the season.

Posted by tisi29 on 7/26/2010 10:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by AlCheez on 7/26/2010 10:06:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 7/26/2010 9:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 9:20:00 AM (view original):
i think I may have out-stupidded someone on my FA target. Im taking the approcah that if it improves my starting lineup or pitching staff, that I'll pay whatever it takes.

Careful now.... that is eerily similar to my thoughts when I got elcano for $70 mil

which, again, for someone with your finances was only paying a 10-20% premium.  At my budget level, it would have been 75% too much.

Did anyone ever think Milwaukee would re-sign Sabathia?  He got overpaid by the Yankees, but to them it was only a 10% premium.

Silliness. The Yankees pay 25 million where other teams would pay 20, that much is true.

Elcano is making twice as much as any other reliever in $ - that's more than a 10-20% premium, I don't care what your budget level is. And the contract was 80 million.

At that point in FA, the $10M bonus meant nothing to moy.  So it was really a $70 M contract.  His payroll is expected to be about $50M more than the average payroll in the world.  That makes the contract about $45-50 M to anyone else.  Elcano should probably be worth around $7-8M/year (probably 10 owners would pay that) and he is paying him the rough equivalent of $9-10M/year - about 20% premium.  More in the first 2 years (when he says he knows somwething about his budget), and less in the last 3 years of the deal.
A bad contract.  But not as ridiculous as it seems at first glance.

Posted by AlCheez on 7/26/2010 10:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 10:24:00 AM (view original):

I, for example am overpaying for Pascual. But its in the last season, so I wasnt motivated to try and deal him too hard. I would have liked to move his salary prior to free agency ending, but failing that I'll hold him, or deal him to a contendor at the end of the season.

Um, Murph - do you know what season we're in?

Posted by AlCheez on 7/26/2010 10:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tisi29 on 7/26/2010 10:12:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 9:20:00 AM (view original):
i think I may have out-stupidded someone on my FA target. Im taking the approcah that if it improves my starting lineup or pitching staff, that I'll pay whatever it takes.

Careful now.... that is eerily similar to my thoughts when I got elcano for $70 mil

which, again, for someone with your finances was only paying a 10-20% premium.  At my budget level, it would have been 75% too much.

Did anyone ever think Milwaukee would re-sign Sabathia?  He got overpaid by the Yankees, but to them it was only a 10% premium.

Silliness. The Yankees pay 25 million where other teams would pay 20, that much is true.

Elcano is making twice as much as any other reliever in $ - that's more than a 10-20% premium, I don't care what your budget level is. And the contract was 80 million.

At that point in FA, the $10M bonus meant nothing to moy.  So it was really a $70 M contract.  His payroll is expected to be about $50M more than the average payroll in the world.  That makes the contract about $45-50 M to anyone else.  Elcano should probably be worth around $7-8M/year (probably 10 owners would pay that) and he is paying him the rough equivalent of $9-10M/year - about 20% premium.  More in the first 2 years (when he says he knows somwething about his budget), and less in the last 3 years of the deal.
A bad contract.  But not as ridiculous as it seems at first glance.

Are you Icelandic or retarded?

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 10:17:00 AM (view original):
oh, snap.

I can be convinced to not judge the current year of any contract as overpaying a player..since we use it or lose it. Beyond that, he's overpaying. But, bviously someone else bid him up. If he puts him over the top to win a WS, so be it.

Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/26/2010 10:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tisi29 on 7/26/2010 10:12:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 7/26/2010 9:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 9:20:00 AM (view original):
i think I may have out-stupidded someone on my FA target. Im taking the approcah that if it improves my starting lineup or pitching staff, that I'll pay whatever it takes.

Careful now.... that is eerily similar to my thoughts when I got elcano for $70 mil

which, again, for someone with your finances was only paying a 10-20% premium.  At my budget level, it would have been 75% too much.

Did anyone ever think Milwaukee would re-sign Sabathia?  He got overpaid by the Yankees, but to them it was only a 10% premium.

Silliness. The Yankees pay 25 million where other teams would pay 20, that much is true.

Elcano is making twice as much as any other reliever in $ - that's more than a 10-20% premium, I don't care what your budget level is. And the contract was 80 million.

At that point in FA, the $10M bonus meant nothing to moy.  So it was really a $70 M contract.  His payroll is expected to be about $50M more than the average payroll in the world.  That makes the contract about $45-50 M to anyone else.  Elcano should probably be worth around $7-8M/year (probably 10 owners would pay that) and he is paying him the rough equivalent of $9-10M/year - about 20% premium.  More in the first 2 years (when he says he knows somwething about his budget), and less in the last 3 years of the deal.
A bad contract.  But not as ridiculous as it seems at first glance.

But it is ridiculous when everyone has the same salary cap.  He is forgoing all other aspects to overpay a relief pitcher by $30 Million

Posted by tylermathias on 7/26/2010 10:26:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 10:24:00 AM (view original):

I, for example am overpaying for Pascual. But its in the last season, so I wasnt motivated to try and deal him too hard. I would have liked to move his salary prior to free agency ending, but failing that I'll hold him, or deal him to a contendor at the end of the season.

Um, Murph - do you know what season we're in?

Should keep that on a post-it.