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Posted by moy23 on 7/26/2010 9:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/26/2010 9:20:00 AM (view original):
i think I may have out-stupidded someone on my FA target. Im taking the approcah that if it improves my starting lineup or pitching staff, that I'll pay whatever it takes.

Careful now.... that is eerily similar to my thoughts when I got elcano for $70 mil

which, again, for someone with your finances was only paying a 10-20% premium.  At my budget level, it would have been 75% too much.

Did anyone ever think Milwaukee would re-sign Sabathia?  He got overpaid by the Yankees, but to them it was only a 10% premium.

Silliness. The Yankees pay 25 million where other teams would pay 20, that much is true.

Elcano is making twice as much as any other reliever in $ - that's more than a 10-20% premium, I don't care what your budget level is. And the contract was 80 million.

At that point in FA, the $10M bonus meant nothing to moy.  So it was really a $70 M contract.  His payroll is expected to be about $50M more than the average payroll in the world.  That makes the contract about $45-50 M to anyone else.  Elcano should probably be worth around $7-8M/year (probably 10 owners would pay that) and he is paying him the rough equivalent of $9-10M/year - about 20% premium.  More in the first 2 years (when he says he knows somwething about his budget), and less in the last 3 years of the deal.
A bad contract.  But not as ridiculous as it seems at first glance.

But it is ridiculous when everyone has the same salary cap.  He is forgoing all other aspects to overpay a relief pitcher by $30 Million

next season my international budget will be 10 mil, prospects at 20 mil - which I usually do and acquire top talent doing so. Its just this one season I will not be getting prospects and I did this budget move move solely for wiki - just couldn't get him so I went after elcano instead.

Posted by AlCheez on 7/26/2010 10:41:00 AM (view original):
moy - the "he's the missing piece I need to win a World Series, I don't care what it takes to get him" angle, I can at least buy, though I really doubt he is that for you relative to what you could have gotten/stuck with for less - tisi's spindoctoring of the finances of the contract is what I was primarily responding to.

It's a terrible contract from a value perspective, but you're right, it may work, at least to some degree, for your purposes. But then we're back to the rlahann/robusk point - just because something went well doesn't mean it couldn't have been done better.

Posted by blackmink18 on 7/26/2010 11:12:00 AM (view original):
how far apart is $ and KP on schedules

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Posted by dherz_263 on 7/26/2010 11:12:00 AM (view original):
back from my vacation, looks like the $ free agent bonanza was interesting

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Posted by dherz_263 on 7/26/2010 11:12:00 AM (view original):
back from my vacation, looks like the $ free agent bonanza was interesting

Welcome back.  Tisi was whory with your thumbs.

Posted by tisi29 on 7/26/2010 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, but you didn't get too many thumbs beacuse "you" hardly posted once you got the red P.