...and reverse that call. Give the kid the perfect game. Delete the insigificant stats that occurred after that debacle. No one will care. Put a goddamn asterisk after it if you want but that was a perfect game. Even the umpire admits it. No one would ***** about the fact he overstepped his bounds. Right the wrong. Grow some balls Bud. Do the right thing.

I don't know if there's precedent, but I agree - and it was also stated in the other thread. If the call clearly would have ended the game, then there's no argument that can come from it. If Joyce blows it on the first hitter in the 9th, you can't really assume everything afterwards, but this is clear cut.

It's similar to the pine tar incident (though Brett was "guilty" by the rules). The AL president decided it wasn't grounds to disqualify him, overruled the umps call and it stood, so there's some precedent there in terms of overruling an umps call at/near the end of a game.

no f*cking way

It will never happen. Overturning an umpire's judgement call, no matter how bad it was, would set a horrible precident and have huge ramifications down the road.

This is very different from the pine tar incident. That was a rules interpretation, which can be challenged and overturned after the fact via a protest. Judegment calls (ball/strike, safe/out) cannot be challenged or overturned after the fact. Two completely different things.

What this MIGHT do is force Bud's hands into expanding instant replay. The technology is there. Do it like the NFL. Give each team the right to challenge "x" number of plays per game. Maybe have a "booth" umpire who can overturn an obviously blown call like we saw last night. Do something to prevent this from happening again.

Didn't a blown call once cost a team the WS? If THAT wasn't reversed, no way in hell do you reverse a call to award a perfect game.

Let's remember why they play. To determine a winner.

yep...you would have to go back and give the Cardinals the 1985 World Series if you give this guy a perfect game

speaking of perfect games.....perhaps this has happened to others

talking about a perfect game with someone that doesn't quite know baseball and they ask, 'how can it be a perfect game, he hit the ball?'

as if a perfect game meant the pitcher threw 27 strikeouts and nobody made contact all game

No. I would never speak to anyone who would think that regardless of how hot she was.

Plus it's only been done once in the history of the game. By this guy:

Quote: Originally Posted By edsortails on 6/03/2010
yep...you would have to go back and give the Cardinals the 1985 World Series if you give this guy a perfect game

Big difference. It would be virtually a symbolic move with insignificant meaning to anybody but the pitcher and the Tigers. It's not overturning a call to change the outcome of a game. It's simply giving back to an individual something that everyone admits should rightfully be his.

You play. To win. The game.

Everybody played to win. If he was legitimately safe, then whatever. It happens. He was out by a step and the umpire botched it. The next guy made the last out. They lost the game. They lose the game either way. What difference does it make to go back now and officially acknowledge what everybody is unofficially acknowledging?

Quote: Originally Posted By Arte on 6/03/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By edsortails on 6/03/2010
yep...you would have to go back and give the Cardinals the 1985 World Series if you give this guy a perfect game

Big difference. It would be virtually a symbolic move with insignificant meaning to anybody but the pitcher and the Tigers. It's not overturning a call to change the outcome of a game. It's simply giving back to an individual something that everyone admits should rightfully be his.

Either way, it would still be a tainted perfect game because people would still remember that in the books, immediately after the game, it was officially recorded as a one-hitter, and that it took the commissioner bowing to pressure to overturn an umpire's judgement call. Which, to the best of my knowledge, has NEVER been done. And would open up Pandora's Box with the precident it would set.

It's a lose-lose situation any way you look at it. The best thing that can be done at this point would be for MLB to find a way to address preventing this from happening again.

best case, the official scorer rules it an error and the guy gets to at least keep a no hitter.....

that way, no new rules need to be created to preserve the perfect game and no dangerous precedent has to be set

Quote: Originally Posted By edsortails on 6/03/2010
best case, the official scorer rules it an error and the guy gets to at least keep a no hitter.....

that way, no new rules need to be created to preserve the perfect game and no dangerous precedent has to be set

Again, it would be a tainted no-hitter. Clearly, there was no error on the play. Other than the judgement of Jim Joyce.

nope....not tainted, I have decided



pitcher juggled the ball....watch it bounce in his glove

if he catches it clean,he gets the call



see how easy that was?