Why is Addie Joss 1908 not More Expensive? Topic

Anyone know?
1/4/2011 11:50 PM
You pay for quality of pitches but more importantly number of pitches.  Low  K guys are allotted less pitches per inning than high K guys.  Add in he's a pretty bad hitter and u got a bargain.
1/5/2011 12:12 AM
because the salary formula is flawed. there are always players who stand out as glaring examples of bad pricing.  each update fixes the known mispricings while creating a different set of mispriced players. deadball pitchers were supposed to have become less effective in the last update, giving up more homeruns and having more errors made behind them. those changes were insignificant yet the salary forulma priced in those ideas that never happened.
1/5/2011 1:23 AM (edited)
Pitching in general is too inexpensive right now.  The SIM is very pitching dominant in its current iteration.
1/5/2011 9:10 AM
Because batting average is too expensive.
1/5/2011 10:45 AM
Thank you.  Looks to me like rbow's and jfranco's (and beaneball's "bad hitter") answers are apt.
1/5/2011 12:26 PM
And if what beaneball says is true (I just don't know for sure) that low-K pitchers are undervalued by pricing by pitches instead of IP/162 then that is a problem.
1/5/2011 12:28 PM
They're alloted fewer pitches because they use fewer pitches. The players people tend to draft strike out less than RL, so you can squeeze a couple extra innings out of the modern guys, but its nothing to get too excited about. $/IP is a lot more accurate than $/P.
1/5/2011 1:59 PM
Skunk nailed this one. 

You want to get into the nitty-gritty of valuing pitchers, you have to know how many pitches you're buying.  Just as a random example, the '09 Christy Mathewson is credited with 14.6 pitches/inning... and the '74 Nolan Ryan gets 19.0.  That extra 4.4 pitches per inning adds up to a whole lot. 
1/6/2011 1:25 PM
I think it is more important to get pitchers who cause outs than to get pitchers who are aloted more.
1/6/2011 1:47 PM
Sorry, I wasn't really trying to compare the value between those two pitchers per se - just trying to illustrate that not all pitchers get 15 P/I down the line, and that it's worth checking out the numbers when drafting.
1/6/2011 7:36 PM
Yogsloth reports Pitches/Inning for '09 Mathewson (14.6) and '74 Ryan (19.0).  Where can I find this data?  Thanks.
1/9/2011 8:33 PM
Posted by idolspoon on 1/9/2011 8:33:00 PM (view original):
Yogsloth reports Pitches/Inning for '09 Mathewson (14.6) and '74 Ryan (19.0).  Where can I find this data?  Thanks.
http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=154851&page=1

You have to calculate it. Read that thread.
1/9/2011 9:47 PM
Thanks jfranco77.
1/16/2011 9:35 PM
Why is Addie Joss 1908 not More Expensive? Topic

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