Who is the Best Performing SP in sim? Topic

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I can RARELY get Walter Johnson '13 or Pete Alexander '15 to perform in sim for me.  I'm LUCKY to get them to perform around the .500 win percentage, usually something like 15-16 w/l record.  I must be selecting Willie Johnson or Paul Alexander, cuz these guys perform NOTHING like themselves!  I have tried them in HIGH cap leagues (160-140mil) & Low cap leagues (100mil-120mil) & they perform the same, TERRIBLE?

For Hitting, I know about guys like Cy Williams '23 (for HR), Ralph Garr '71 (for Avg.) & Dave Orr (for singles ONLY) as Sleepers who sim likes...

Other than Carlos Cissco, Jake Northrup & John Niggling for SHORT appearances & Addie Joss '08, Who are the best performing Starting Pitcher sleeper, best performing guys out there?  What SP does sim like the best?
1/14/2011 7:37 PM
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First off, $100-120m is still a relatively high cap. I might consider them a mid-cap, but they're definitely on the higher end of the spectrum.  Try them in true low and mid caps from $40-80m and I think you'll see they perform quite well. Also note, their W-L record is more of an indicator of your team's performance, not their performance.
1/14/2011 8:08 PM
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i have had great success with chet stedmon, aka the rocket.
1/14/2011 8:11 PM
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Greg Maddux
1/14/2011 10:32 PM
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In this game, a pitcher's record is more reflective on you than it is on them. Pitching is linear. If you buy a $30,000/IP pitcher, you get one. Put'em in a park that makes sense and there you go, you've just accomplished what the other 23 teams also accomplished.
Figuring out how to score runs is what separates the men from the girlymen. And thats the entire idea of this game. It seems that you are searching for certain players who are the correct players to pick in order to win, but that isn't how it works. WIS assigns prices to players according to their value, and on the whole they do a very good job. There's a few slight bargains here and there, but its nothing to get too excited about. I draft SIM virgins all the time, and do very well. So, instead of looking for players to draft, I think you ought to be looking for a concept to draft.
1/14/2011 11:58 PM (edited)
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Silver King!
1/15/2011 1:58 AM
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Posted by go_pre on 1/14/2011 7:37:00 PM (view original):
I can RARELY get Walter Johnson '13 or Pete Alexander '15 to perform in sim for me.  I'm LUCKY to get them to perform around the .500 win percentage, usually something like 15-16 w/l record.  I must be selecting Willie Johnson or Paul Alexander, cuz these guys perform NOTHING like themselves!  I have tried them in HIGH cap leagues (160-140mil) & Low cap leagues (100mil-120mil) & they perform the same, TERRIBLE?

For Hitting, I know about guys like Cy Williams '23 (for HR), Ralph Garr '71 (for Avg.) & Dave Orr (for singles ONLY) as Sleepers who sim likes...

Other than Carlos Cissco, Jake Northrup & John Niggling for SHORT appearances & Addie Joss '08, Who are the best performing Starting Pitcher sleeper, best performing guys out there?  What SP does sim like the best?
It looks like you've played exactly 2.25 seasons of SLB, unless you're using aliases, so how many iterations of these guys have you tried?

15 Alexander is one of the very best pitchers in this SIM.  I'm not necessarily saying he's a good VALUE, which is a different question.  But he is almost always terrific for me at almost any cap.  Certainly at 140M and below.

In the current WIS Championship, facing really tough competition at 120M, Pete is currently the Cy Young leader through 142 games: 28-14, 3.42, 1.25 WHIP in 62 starts.  Home park is Cleveland Stadium.

There are a few pitchers who will get you a better ERA or a better WHIP, but not many can give you his performance and his number of innings.
1/15/2011 2:19 AM
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"So, instead of looking for players to draft, I think you ought to be looking for a concept to draft."

^^This.
1/15/2011 5:21 PM
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The batters on my teams with them are all top rate, scoring runs is NOT a problem, WJ & PA w/l records are effected by their 5.50-8.00 ERAs, which means that they are not pitching very well, or up to snuff!  I need some reliable SP that do good most often, than NOT.  I know about Maddux & Martinez, but they dont eat up very many IP & are only good for about 24 games each, so they HAVE to do good & win almost ALL of their games.  If you try to get them to eat innings, more than 7 per game, they get too tired to pitch more than every 5th game, you HAVE to have them in a 5 man rotation?  Only 1 or 2 SP doing good in a 5 man rotation is NOT the answer, the season is not 50 games in duration, what about the other 110 games!  The RP explosion has turned Maddux & Pedro into babys who can only pitch 200 IP!

I have been a member of sim since 2002, once a owner name has gone HOF, most of the challenge goes away & I retire them, or dont use them anymore.  I started "Go_Pre" about a month ago, to get a Fresh perspective?

What I was looking for is Starting Pitchers that are sim SLEEPERS, guys that usually do well, eventhough they might NOT be well known names...

1/15/2011 5:41 PM (edited)
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Well, not trying to give you a hard time, but if you've been playing since 2002 and the only effective SPs you have found are Maddux and Martinez, I'm not sure where to start.

As for your question: What I was looking for is Starting Pitchers that are sim SLEEPERS, guys that usually do well, eventhough they might NOT be well known names...

I doubt too many people are going to give away the names of players they think are uniquely valuable for the $.  As boogerlips says, WIS does a pretty good job pricing their players.  The idea that there are guys out there worth much more than what you pay for them is pretty much fiction.  And if there any players like that, you can pretty darned sure that whoever has found them is not likely to share them publicly.
1/15/2011 6:00 PM
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Also not sure I understand the logic behind "most of the challenge going away" and "starting a new user name to get a fresh perspective."  I might just be missing something, but that makes no sense to me.
1/15/2011 6:01 PM
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What I was looking for is Starting Pitchers that are sim SLEEPERS, guys that usually do well, eventhough they might NOT be well known names...

If you've been around since '02, there shouldn't be any "sleepers" you haven't already heard of or tried yourself over the last nine years.  Try out some guys you don't typically use and see how they work for you. 
1/17/2011 10:39 PM (edited)
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These are the current stats for your starting pitchers on one of your currently active teams:

Walsh, Ed 1910 R 41 41 9 1 24 7 0 0 301.3 289 118 97 10 76 119 .246 .297 .321 1.21 2.90
Johnson, Walter 1913 R 40 40 6 2 23 10 0 0 282.0 297 141 127 26 45 186 .265 .301 .413 1.21 4.05
Alexander, Pete 1915 R 41 41 2 1 20 12 0 0 281.0 296 129 115 6 84 164 .270 .326 .354 1.35 3.68

Where are the .500 W-L records and "5.50-8.00" ERAs you're talking about above?
1/15/2011 7:07 PM
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1919 Pete Alexander
1/15/2011 7:15 PM
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If you want good value, you might consider 1938 Wes Ferrell (200K).  I'm in a league where he's 22-7 -- after just 36 games!  The ERA's a bit ugly (9.33), but why nitpick.
1/15/2011 8:08 PM
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