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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/23/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Don't make crelmann look smart by looking dumb.    People watch what they want to see.  And that's how they voted in this stupid poll.   Just ballparking but the country is split rather evenly between conservatives/liberals with a small percentage of true moderates(which is what liberals like to call themselves to look cool).  Conservatives watch FOX, liberals talk about FOX badly.   Split down the middle, more or less.
Do you consider yourself a true moderate?
2/23/2011 2:09 PM (edited)
Posted by meanceprimea on 2/21/2011 4:58:00 PM (view original):
A direct quote from genghis' link:

“A generation ago you would have expected Americans to place their trust in the most

neutral and unbiased conveyors of news,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy

Polling. “But the media landscape has really changed and now they’re turning more

toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”



That exactly paraphrases what Mike said in his post @ 3:58 yesterday.

A question for whomever cares to address it. I'm seeing these themes repeated:


1) People gravitate to media outlets that share their views.

2) Except for Fox, all the major media outlets tend to be liberal.


Unless you think liberals greatly outnumber conservatives, how can you reconcile these two views?  Why would all the other networks divide the liberal market share, leave the whole of the conservative market to Fox, and completely neglect moderates? Doesn't make sense.
2/23/2011 2:08 PM
Nope.  Moderate is a cop-out.   I lean conservative with a few lefty thoughts.  I doubt anyone is a complete conservative/liberal.  But the libs love to say they're moderate because it makes them feel superior. 
2/23/2011 2:09 PM
I am as far left as one can go and I would never deny it. People who call themselves moderate are cowards.
2/23/2011 2:17 PM
gangstahixon, it's pretty much like this:   ABC, NBC, CBS all run news shows at 6 or 6:30.   They're direct competitors.  FOX runs The Simpsons(or Judge Judy or World's Smallest Groom) at that time.  I'm not even sure FOX runs a network news show.   They have the FOX Report or something on cable at a different time.   It's entirely possible for people to watch more than one half hour of news per day.  But, if I'm not mistaken, the ratings are based on that 6-7 time frame. 
2/23/2011 2:25 PM
I always find these fun:  http://www.ontheissues.org/Quiz/Quiz2010.asp?quiz=Pres2012

Palin got 50%, Guiliani/Brownback 43% at the top, Hillary 13% and our esteemed Prez got 10% to finish last.
2/23/2011 2:36 PM
Posted by rcrusso on 2/23/2011 2:17:00 PM (view original):
I am as far left as one can go and I would never deny it. People who call themselves moderate are cowards.
I took several lib/con tests that ask questions and score you from 1 (Jesse Helms) to 100 (Jesse Jackson).

Since I am pro-choice and pro-gay marrige and pro-pornography I usually score around a high 30 and that would make me a moderate.

In reality I am a Conservative with a few liberal beliefs.
2/23/2011 4:09 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/23/2011 2:36:00 PM (view original):
I always find these fun:  http://www.ontheissues.org/Quiz/Quiz2010.asp?quiz=Pres2012

Palin got 50%, Guiliani/Brownback 43% at the top, Hillary 13% and our esteemed Prez got 10% to finish last.
Demint 63%....Nader 8%
2/23/2011 4:11 PM
Here's one I've never been able to reconcile:  Pro-choice and gun control.   How can you be for snuffing out a fetus but against gun ownership?   I'm sure there are a lot more people that could use a good killing than a fetus.    Aren't both of them personal liberties?   Do what you want, it's your body but don't own a gun while you do it.    Libs, can you help me with that one?

I'm pro-abortion.  I think a lot of people should be forced to have 'em. 
2/23/2011 4:13 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/23/2011 2:25:00 PM (view original):
gangstahixon, it's pretty much like this:   ABC, NBC, CBS all run news shows at 6 or 6:30.   They're direct competitors.  FOX runs The Simpsons(or Judge Judy or World's Smallest Groom) at that time.  I'm not even sure FOX runs a network news show.   They have the FOX Report or something on cable at a different time.   It's entirely possible for people to watch more than one half hour of news per day.  But, if I'm not mistaken, the ratings are based on that 6-7 time frame. 
That really doesn't answer the question. I'm not talking about just the ratings of the a news program, I'm talking about the money to be made from having a large viewership. OK, so ABC, NBC and CBS are all direct competitors, but all three pander to the left? On cable you have Fox, MSNBC, and CNN, and 2 of the 3 are pandeering to the left? Unless this country is overwhelming liberal, which it isn't, I don't see how this is economically feasible.
2/23/2011 8:15 PM

Most of them do not "pander" to a specific group. They simply put a slant which follows the opinions of the bigwigs running the network.

Now if, for example, the CEO of ABC is against the war in Iraq, he is NOT going to air segments which show any good coming out of the effort. In fact he may go as far as to specifically ask for stories which show the war in the worst light possible, HE is against the war and HE has the power to make those decisions, so then individuals who are strongly against the war LOVE to watch ABC because they are slamming W and the war almost nightly.

Again this is just an example that can be applied to nearly any controversial issue out there. The big dogs decide what sort of light to shine on a topic, and like-minded viewers will tune in.

Fox is indeed different, in that they saw an opportunity to be a news network that could "pander to the right".

2/23/2011 9:41 PM
As the previous poster said, it's less "pandering" and more "slanting".    ABC runs a piece on military deaths in Iraq.   NBC runs a piece on civilian casualites in Iraq.  CBS runs a piece on the cost of the war in Iraq.   FOX runs a piece on skyrocketing fuel prices and Obama's plan to increase taxes on the rich.   There's enough news for everyone to find their niche.
2/24/2011 8:15 AM
Posted by genghisxcon on 2/23/2011 2:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/23/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Don't make crelmann look smart by looking dumb.    People watch what they want to see.  And that's how they voted in this stupid poll.   Just ballparking but the country is split rather evenly between conservatives/liberals with a small percentage of true moderates(which is what liberals like to call themselves to look cool).  Conservatives watch FOX, liberals talk about FOX badly.   Split down the middle, more or less.
Do you consider yourself a true moderate?
I definitely do not consider MrT a true moderate.
In fact, I don't consider him a moderate at all.
But to give him some credit, there are far more extreme people with his right-wing conservatives compared to him!

Just so you know, if you are going to call me a moderate, I am an atypical moderate.
Moderates are typically pansies in disagreements.
I would say I am an extreme moderate! (I have no idea if such a term currently exists, but if it doesn't then I am starting it with myself as the originator)
Otherwise I would say I am a free-thinker.
(I no longer call myself a centrist, cuz that means my views are mostly in the middle of opposing views...which does not apply to me)
2/24/2011 1:03 PM
Posted by meanceprimea on 2/23/2011 9:41:00 PM (view original):

Most of them do not "pander" to a specific group. They simply put a slant which follows the opinions of the bigwigs running the network.

Now if, for example, the CEO of ABC is against the war in Iraq, he is NOT going to air segments which show any good coming out of the effort. In fact he may go as far as to specifically ask for stories which show the war in the worst light possible, HE is against the war and HE has the power to make those decisions, so then individuals who are strongly against the war LOVE to watch ABC because they are slamming W and the war almost nightly.

Again this is just an example that can be applied to nearly any controversial issue out there. The big dogs decide what sort of light to shine on a topic, and like-minded viewers will tune in.

Fox is indeed different, in that they saw an opportunity to be a news network that could "pander to the right".

True.
I was even in one of my city's newspapers many years ago.
The article's focus was not about me.
It was instead about a church I was new to that I started to attend.
After the church service, a reporter (no video, but a camera, with a pen and a notepad) was asking the people in the parking lot to allow her to interview them.
The pastors and the members were refusing (others ignoring) the requests of the reporter, who I quickly was informed by her, was doing a homework assignment for a community college via the city newspaper.
I felt sorry for her, plus I was bored (I felt more sorry for her than my being bored though), so I accepted her request, on condition that she realize that my views would not be objective enough since I had only attended about 4 weeks of services...I was still new to the organization.
She agreed.

Anyway, to make a long story super short (sorry, cuz the long version is almost filled with drama):

When I read that newspaper (the cities', numbnuts, not the college's;) the next morning, I was shocked at the article!
In essence, it was a smear campaign against the church.
About 5 years later, when I quit attending the place, I found out that most of the accusations against it were true.
But I had a greater shock regarding what the article said about me, than about the church.
I will split it up into 3 sections:
1- There was a quote of me, which was correct. And the writer's comment about my comment was correct.
2- There was another quote of me, which was also correct. But this time they took the quote completely out of context and ended up stringing that into a lie (without quotes of me, of course).
3- There was a paragraph paraphrasing, without any quotes, what I supposedly said. Not only did I not say it, directly or indirectly, I did not even have the views they claimed!
...so I did my research by phone and ended up speaking with her over the phone at the college.
Needless to say, she was shocked that I could reach her and so easily.
(the newspaper passed the blame on to her and told me where to reach her)

She said she had not yet read the newspaper, so then I told her all of the above (though in far more detail) that I just told you.
She then expressed further shock that the article would be worded that way and said that she did not write the article, but only photographed me and took notes on what my answers were to her questions. She said she then passed that info on to the newspaper's editorial staff to compose the article themselves.
I expressed shock that she did not do the article writing at all, but admitted that I do not know exactly how the media is organized.

She then said something that shocked me, which I will paraphrase cuz I forget exactly how she said it, several years ago:

"The editors gave me permission to do my college assignment with their organization, by interviewing people at that church, to ask certain questions to get a certain slant for their paper's article, and if the people interviewed did not provide answers that are of that slant, that they would type it so that it would anyway."


Yeah, I know this is a super long post,
but if you know me by now,
if I had given you ALL the details,
this post would be FAR longer in length than it already is! 


ANYWAY, THE POINT OF THIS POST IS TO GIVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE
OF A MAJOR MEDIA (economically conservative slanted as opposed to the competing paper which is economically liberal slanted) OUT LET
INTENTIONALLY LYING, NOT SIMPLY BEING BIASED.

...it also proves (at least with 1 example) this statement of yours, primea:
"They simply put a slant which follows the opinions of the bigwigs running the network."
2/24/2011 1:27 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 2/23/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rcrusso on 2/23/2011 2:17:00 PM (view original):
I am as far left as one can go and I would never deny it. People who call themselves moderate are cowards.
I took several lib/con tests that ask questions and score you from 1 (Jesse Helms) to 100 (Jesse Jackson).

Since I am pro-choice and pro-gay marrige and pro-pornography I usually score around a high 30 and that would make me a moderate.

In reality I am a Conservative with a few liberal beliefs.
So, you're a social liberal
and an economic conservative?
2/24/2011 1:31 PM
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