Ichiro's 3000th Hit - 142 to go! First Ballot HOF! Topic

MikeT23
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Yes, games played matters.   How valuable is a guy who isn't playing?
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MikeT23
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That's an illegal pitch.
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What's her FIP?
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Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):
You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base.  It goes both ways.
Exactly. How many of Mattingly's singles were RBI singles because Henderson was always on base? Regardless of what the voters did, it's pretty easy to see that Henderson was more valuable.
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Posted by stinenavy on 8/25/2013 12:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/24/2013 8:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by stinenavy on 8/24/2013 7:38:00 PM (view original):
How is that not close? Mattingly also played 16 more games.
And, even with Mattingly's additional 16 games, Henderson was over 3 wins better.
"WAR, ************"

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8/25/2013 8:37 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):
You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base.  It goes both ways.
Exactly. How many of Mattingly's singles were RBI singles because Henderson was always on base? Regardless of what the voters did, it's pretty easy to see that Henderson was more valuable.
no. not easy to see. u make alot of simple things difficult to bandwagon your so called smarts. is it evolutionary somehow that u live large in las vegas turning your smarts into easy money or do the sportsbooks mop up the floor with u?  
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MikeT23
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You sir, apparently, are not familiar with WAR!!!!!
8/25/2013 8:50 PM
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sorry. clicked on a thread about ichiro who is no sadaharu oh. had it been as easy for a japanese player to sign a major league contract in his time all the accolades of ichiros career would be missing as oh is japans babe ruth who makes ichiros numbers less formidable here. 357 batting average with 55 homers says so much more than ichiro and is impressive to speak for itself with no other numbers needed. that is simpler to understand. not that other guys analogy.
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Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):
You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base.  It goes both ways.
Exactly. How many of Mattingly's singles were RBI singles because Henderson was always on base? Regardless of what the voters did, it's pretty easy to see that Henderson was more valuable.
I wonder how many times Henderson would have been stranded on base if it weren't for Mattingly driving him in?

Baseball games are won by finishing the job (scoring the runners on base), not by accumulating LOBs.

It's too bad you don't understand that.  Maybe someday you'll actually learn something about the game.
8/25/2013 9:54 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 8/25/2013 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):
You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base.  It goes both ways.
Exactly. How many of Mattingly's singles were RBI singles because Henderson was always on base? Regardless of what the voters did, it's pretty easy to see that Henderson was more valuable.
I wonder how many times Henderson would have been stranded on base if it weren't for Mattingly driving him in?

Baseball games are won by finishing the job (scoring the runners on base), not by accumulating LOBs.

It's too bad you don't understand that.  Maybe someday you'll actually learn something about the game.
Without anyone on base, there's no one to knock in. RBI and RS are context dependent, which is why it's better to use stats like OBP and SLG because they don't rely on the performance of the rest of the lineup.

Quit being dumb.
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Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/25/2013 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):
You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base.  It goes both ways.
Exactly. How many of Mattingly's singles were RBI singles because Henderson was always on base? Regardless of what the voters did, it's pretty easy to see that Henderson was more valuable.
I wonder how many times Henderson would have been stranded on base if it weren't for Mattingly driving him in?

Baseball games are won by finishing the job (scoring the runners on base), not by accumulating LOBs.

It's too bad you don't understand that.  Maybe someday you'll actually learn something about the game.
Without anyone on base, there's no one to knock in. RBI and RS are context dependent, which is why it's better to use stats like OBP and SLG because they don't rely on the performance of the rest of the lineup.

Quit being dumb.
If nobody knocks you in, a walk and a stolen base is a LOB, which doesn't help the offense much.

Mattingly's OBP/SLG in 1985 was .371/.567.  Henderson's was .419/.516.  Edge to Mattingly.

Please continue to attempt to explain how Henderson was better "and it wasn't even close".

Quit being dumb.
8/25/2013 10:23 PM
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1 point of OBP is worth about 2 points of SLG.

8/25/2013 10:42 PM
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Posted by skonley on 8/25/2013 10:57:00 AM (view original):
Don't really have a dog in the Mattingly/Rickey RSF, but just wanted to mention that Willie McGee was the NL MVP in 1985. Not exactly a HR/RBI guy.
Guerrero had a great year that year in the traditional stats, though McGee had a higher AVG.  Different set of voters, but I would have expected the same biases.  That's a good one.
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Posted by tecwrg on 8/25/2013 10:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 8/25/2013 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/25/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 8/25/2013 2:48:00 PM (view original):
You don't drive in runs when there's nobody on base.  It goes both ways.
Exactly. How many of Mattingly's singles were RBI singles because Henderson was always on base? Regardless of what the voters did, it's pretty easy to see that Henderson was more valuable.
I wonder how many times Henderson would have been stranded on base if it weren't for Mattingly driving him in?

Baseball games are won by finishing the job (scoring the runners on base), not by accumulating LOBs.

It's too bad you don't understand that.  Maybe someday you'll actually learn something about the game.
Without anyone on base, there's no one to knock in. RBI and RS are context dependent, which is why it's better to use stats like OBP and SLG because they don't rely on the performance of the rest of the lineup.

Quit being dumb.
If nobody knocks you in, a walk and a stolen base is a LOB, which doesn't help the offense much.

Mattingly's OBP/SLG in 1985 was .371/.567.  Henderson's was .419/.516.  Edge to Mattingly.

Please continue to attempt to explain how Henderson was better "and it wasn't even close".

Quit being dumb.
Edge to Mattingly in regards to obp/slg, yes.  And then he stole 80 bases and played center field.  That puts him over the top, in my opinion.
8/25/2013 10:58 PM
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