Ichiro's 3000th Hit - 142 to go! First Ballot HOF! Topic

3000 hits
No steroids

Guaranteed 1st ballot HoF
8/8/2016 6:02 PM
how do you know he didn't do steroids?
8/8/2016 7:32 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 8/8/2016 7:32:00 PM (view original):
how do you know he didn't do steroids?
Japanese athletes don't cheat.

Duh.
8/8/2016 7:41 PM
They do watch a lot of porn.
8/8/2016 7:47 PM
Posted by aginor on 8/8/2016 4:00:00 PM (view original):
So let's go 'Punch and Judy" vs "Punch and Judy"

Rod Carew (19 seasons)

Games 2469 Hits 3053 2B 445 3B 112 HR 92 BA .328 OBP .393 OPS .822


Ichiro (15 + seasons)

Games 2452 Hits 3000 2B 350 3B 93 HR 113 BA .314 OBP .357 OPS .762



Basically you have the same # of games... I'd say he compares pretty well with Carew. Though where Ichiro makes up for his short comings in his defensive ability. Carew played 2b and was just 'good' there but he played 1B for more than 1/2 of his games (no Gold Gloves). Ichiro for much of his career was a gold glove calibre Outfielder winning 9 GGs!... So I'd say they are pretty even overall.
Carew >> Ichiro

Roughly the same number of games and same number of PA's.

Carew 131 OPS+, 81.1 WAR
Ichiro 108 OPS+, 59.9 WAR

Carew hit for slightly more power, but he also walked 400 more times than Ichiro.

There's a significant difference between the two, with a big edge to Carew.

And it's generally understood that Gold Gloves are basically a joke.
8/8/2016 9:47 PM (edited)
I don't disagree that Gold Gloves are a joke, but I do think Ichiro was legitimately one of the very best COF in baseball for a long time. With that said, I'm not convinced a great - but not historically great - COF is contributing more value than a basically average 2B who can occupy a premium lineup spot offensively. I've never been convinced Ichiro has a great arm to go with his great range. He's not Clemente. But he has an average to above-average arm and great range, solid range in CF even. Is that enough to provide substantively more defensive value than Carew at first? Definitely. But at 2nd? Meh.
8/8/2016 10:04 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/8/2016 7:47:00 PM (view original):
They do watch a lot of porn.
As opposed to Korean ones, who star in it?
8/8/2016 10:47 PM
The Ichiro hate is shameful. It doesn't matter. You know he's going to the HOF. Guaranteed.
8/9/2016 6:47 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 8/8/2016 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by aginor on 8/8/2016 4:00:00 PM (view original):
So let's go 'Punch and Judy" vs "Punch and Judy"

Rod Carew (19 seasons)

Games 2469 Hits 3053 2B 445 3B 112 HR 92 BA .328 OBP .393 OPS .822


Ichiro (15 + seasons)

Games 2452 Hits 3000 2B 350 3B 93 HR 113 BA .314 OBP .357 OPS .762



Basically you have the same # of games... I'd say he compares pretty well with Carew. Though where Ichiro makes up for his short comings in his defensive ability. Carew played 2b and was just 'good' there but he played 1B for more than 1/2 of his games (no Gold Gloves). Ichiro for much of his career was a gold glove calibre Outfielder winning 9 GGs!... So I'd say they are pretty even overall.
Carew >> Ichiro

Roughly the same number of games and same number of PA's.

Carew 131 OPS+, 81.1 WAR
Ichiro 108 OPS+, 59.9 WAR

Carew hit for slightly more power, but he also walked 400 more times than Ichiro.

There's a significant difference between the two, with a big edge to Carew.

And it's generally understood that Gold Gloves are basically a joke.
WAR, ************!!!!!!!!!!!
8/9/2016 8:30 AM
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