Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 11:20:00 PM (view original):
I think you're getting your *** kicked and have nothing to offer but insults.

BL -

WHO here thinks Tec is getting his '*** kicked'? Besides you? You are arguing that 2000 Radke had the same relative value as 2016 Scherzer based on a highly questionable metric! Its indefensible by any rational fan.

YOU'RE DELUSIONAL!!!

Just when you think BL can't get any dumber . . .

Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 10:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/18/2017 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Most people who are proponents of WAR would look at the Radke/Scherzer comparison, apply a common sense filter, and conclude "yeah, there's something ****** up with this" and try to distance themselves away from it.

Not BL. He dives head first into it and defends it. Because it's his favorite, infallible stat.

And that's why he's the stupidest person on the internet.

Let's say you have two pitchers:

A) 200 IP; 3 runs allowed per 9
B) 200 IP; 4 runs allowed per 9

One pitcher pitched in year X, the other pitched in year Y.

Is it possible that B was more valuable than A?

I love how you're now adjusting numbers to attempt to make them look somewhat closer.

Radke gave up 4.45 ER/9 in 2000. Scherzer gave up 2.89 ER/9 in 2016. That's a much wider gap than 3 and 4.

Scherzer also led the league in WHIP and strikeouts, and was 8th in ERA. In 2000, Radke was 34th in WHIP, 41st in Ks, and 42nd in ERA. Even John Effing Lieber was better than Radke in 2000.

If you actually put things in context and stopped being a blind fanboy of WAR, you'd realize how stupid your argument is.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 8:49:00 AM (view original):
Just when you think BL can't get any dumber . . .

You're afraid to answer a simple yes/no question.

Posted by Jtpsops on 7/19/2017 9:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 10:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/18/2017 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Most people who are proponents of WAR would look at the Radke/Scherzer comparison, apply a common sense filter, and conclude "yeah, there's something ****** up with this" and try to distance themselves away from it.

Not BL. He dives head first into it and defends it. Because it's his favorite, infallible stat.

And that's why he's the stupidest person on the internet.

Let's say you have two pitchers:

A) 200 IP; 3 runs allowed per 9
B) 200 IP; 4 runs allowed per 9

One pitcher pitched in year X, the other pitched in year Y.

Is it possible that B was more valuable than A?

I love how you're now adjusting numbers to attempt to make them look somewhat closer.

Radke gave up 4.45 ER/9 in 2000. Scherzer gave up 2.89 ER/9 in 2016. That's a much wider gap than 3 and 4.

Scherzer also led the league in WHIP and strikeouts, and was 8th in ERA. In 2000, Radke was 34th in WHIP, 41st in Ks, and 42nd in ERA. Even John Effing Lieber was better than Radke in 2000.

If you actually put things in context and stopped being a blind fanboy of WAR, you'd realize how stupid your argument is.

WAR works off of runs allowed, not earned runs. Then it gets adjusted for league run scoring, ballpark, and defense. Which closes the gap.

It doesn't factor WHIP or strikeouts.

I'm not arguing that Radke was better than Scherzer, just that, in terms of runs allowed adjusted for the context of when they pitched, they were equally valuable in those two years.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 10:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/18/2017 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Most people who are proponents of WAR would look at the Radke/Scherzer comparison, apply a common sense filter, and conclude "yeah, there's something ****** up with this" and try to distance themselves away from it.

Not BL. He dives head first into it and defends it. Because it's his favorite, infallible stat.

And that's why he's the stupidest person on the internet.

Let's say you have two pitchers:

A) 200 IP; 3 runs allowed per 9
B) 200 IP; 4 runs allowed per 9

One pitcher pitched in year X, the other pitched in year Y.

Is it possible that B was more valuable than A?

Since tec is afraid, would you like to answer jtp?

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 8:49:00 AM (view original):
Just when you think BL can't get any dumber . . .

I never think that because he continually proves he can. See above.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 9:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 8:49:00 AM (view original):
Just when you think BL can't get any dumber . . .

You're afraid to answer a simple yes/no question.

I already said I'm not afraid. I'm just refusing to do so.

Good to see that you're not afraid to show your idiocy to the world. Proudly. Like a peacock.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 10:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/18/2017 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Most people who are proponents of WAR would look at the Radke/Scherzer comparison, apply a common sense filter, and conclude "yeah, there's something ****** up with this" and try to distance themselves away from it.

Not BL. He dives head first into it and defends it. Because it's his favorite, infallible stat.

And that's why he's the stupidest person on the internet.

Let's say you have two pitchers:

A) 200 IP; 3 runs allowed per 9
B) 200 IP; 4 runs allowed per 9

One pitcher pitched in year X, the other pitched in year Y.

Is it possible that B was more valuable than A?

Since tec is afraid, would you like to answer jtp?

I just answered in my last post, you dense POS.

And your example clearly just mentions runs allowed per 9...we have a stat for that: it's called ERA. Which I used in my post. If you want to include total runs (earned and unearned), it really won't change much in terms of how productive each pitcher was.

2016 Scherzer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 Radke

Stop being such an idiot.

Just for fun:

2000 Radke - 226 IP, 4.45 ERA (112 earned runs/119 unearned), 1.38 WHIP, 10.4 H/9, 1.1 HR/9, 2.0 BB/9, 5.6 K/9, WAR: 6.2 (B-R)/4.2 (Fangraphs)

2000 Lieber - 251 IP, 4.41 ERA (123 earned runs/130 unearned), 1.20 WHIP, 8.9 H/9, 1.3 HR/9, 1.9 BB/9, 6.9 K/9, WAR: 3.7 (B-R)/4.4 (Fangraphs)

Proof right there that WAR is stupid. At very least, Fangraphs has it somewhat figured out and B-R is garbage. Lieber was the superior pitcher in 2000.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 9:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 9:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 8:49:00 AM (view original):
Just when you think BL can't get any dumber . . .

You're afraid to answer a simple yes/no question.

I already said I'm not afraid. I'm just refusing to do so.

Good to see that you're not afraid to show your idiocy to the world. Proudly. Like a peacock.

You're refusing because you're afraid.

Posted by Jtpsops on 7/19/2017 10:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 10:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/18/2017 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Most people who are proponents of WAR would look at the Radke/Scherzer comparison, apply a common sense filter, and conclude "yeah, there's something ****** up with this" and try to distance themselves away from it.

Not BL. He dives head first into it and defends it. Because it's his favorite, infallible stat.

And that's why he's the stupidest person on the internet.

Let's say you have two pitchers:

A) 200 IP; 3 runs allowed per 9
B) 200 IP; 4 runs allowed per 9

One pitcher pitched in year X, the other pitched in year Y.

Is it possible that B was more valuable than A?

Since tec is afraid, would you like to answer jtp?

I just answered in my last post, you dense POS.

And your example clearly just mentions runs allowed per 9...we have a stat for that: it's called ERA. Which I used in my post. If you want to include total runs (earned and unearned), it really won't change much in terms of how productive each pitcher was.

2016 Scherzer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 Radke

Stop being such an idiot.

You didn't answer.

And ERA is not the same as RA9.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 10:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 9:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 9:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/19/2017 8:49:00 AM (view original):
Just when you think BL can't get any dumber . . .

You're afraid to answer a simple yes/no question.

I already said I'm not afraid. I'm just refusing to do so.

Good to see that you're not afraid to show your idiocy to the world. Proudly. Like a peacock.

You're refusing because you're afraid.

Sort of like you refused to tell me what "proof" Russia has to take down Trump and his administration?

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 10:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 7/19/2017 10:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/19/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/18/2017 10:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/18/2017 9:42:00 PM (view original):
Most people who are proponents of WAR would look at the Radke/Scherzer comparison, apply a common sense filter, and conclude "yeah, there's something ****** up with this" and try to distance themselves away from it.

Not BL. He dives head first into it and defends it. Because it's his favorite, infallible stat.

And that's why he's the stupidest person on the internet.

Let's say you have two pitchers:

A) 200 IP; 3 runs allowed per 9
B) 200 IP; 4 runs allowed per 9

One pitcher pitched in year X, the other pitched in year Y.

Is it possible that B was more valuable than A?

Since tec is afraid, would you like to answer jtp?

I just answered in my last post, you dense POS.

And your example clearly just mentions runs allowed per 9...we have a stat for that: it's called ERA. Which I used in my post. If you want to include total runs (earned and unearned), it really won't change much in terms of how productive each pitcher was.

2016 Scherzer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 Radke

Stop being such an idiot.

You didn't answer.

And ERA is not the same as RA9.

How many unearned runs do you think pitchers allow?

2000 Radke: 4.45 ERA, 4.73 RA9
2016 Max: 2.89 ERA, 3.04 RA9

And for reference:

2000 Lieber: 4.41 ERA, 4.66 RA9

Either way, Max was significantly better at run prevention. And Lieber was better than Radke in 2000.

You still didn't answer. Is it possible for B to be more valuable than A?